Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Mar 24, 2016 16:11:39 GMT -5
derby starts at 2 inspection 10-12
HOBO and COMPACTS and power wheels for the kids
payouts
hobo
1st $1500
2nd $1000
3rd $600
4th $300
compacts
1st $1000
2nd $700
3rd $400
4th $100
for showing up at shows that are part of our series you'll be given points and for placing you'll receive points.
Points/
for showing up and running 3 points
1st place 3points
2nd place 2points
3rd place 1 point
at the end of the series the one with the most points will receive cash prize and other items. this will be done for each class.
As of right now prizes will be
$1000 per class
weld class winner will also receive a 98-02 FMCO or a new set of tires
old school winner will also receive a Pre 98 FMCO or a new set of tires
compact winner will receive a full set of tires( since I don't own any compacts)
prizes may increase!
Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2742/2016-rules-pay-sucker-events#ixzz4EV0nRa3z
rules
FULL SIZE OLDSCHOOL/HOBO
Hobo any yr of car allowed (no imps, hearse, ambulance, trucks, vans) mini vans ok NO 03 and newer fords or frames
1. car needs to remain as close as stock as possible
2. NO carb/DP's,
3. engine/trans swaps ok , can weld lower mounts in to do a clean conversion (no added metal!) you may use 2 chains or 2 4x4x1/4" plates to keep your motor from "flopping around" the plates can only be welded from factory motor clams to the frame. if you use the chain 1 link may be welded to the frame any where within the head area of the motor You may use a lower engine cradle, however if you do you must use stock lower gm or ford motor mounts and CAN NOT use any chains, 9 wire or plates to keep motor tight. This cradle is only to protect your block. If the inspection crew deems that the cradle is being used to reinforce the car in any way you WILL NOT run!
4.NO truck rear ends, must be a stock car rear end (gears are fine, after market axles NOT allowed) a slider type drive shaft may be used ( there is cheap ways out there to do this with out spending lots of money. 2 wheel drive chevy truck drive shafts will get similar results)
5. bumper swaps allowed but must be an automotive car bumper. You can weld bumper shocks, bumper brackets, and frame seams SOLID 4" from the back side of the bumper per side to attach bumpers on. bumper skin can be welded solid and bumper may be loaded between the frame rails (all material used to load must remain inside the factory bumper skins) we changed the bumper rules to cut down on the cost of building a car, one bumper should last thru several cars if the car your using came from the factory with bumper brackets they must remain in the stock location
6. ONLY welding allowed is drivers door and cage.
7.may use a trans mounted shifter. after market gas/brake pedals ok.
8. may use up to 1" core support bolts thru the hood but only thru the top of the frame. a spacer may be used between the core support and the frame but it can not be welded .
9. CAR MUST HAVE A DRIVERS DOOR BAR
10. a dash bar and seat bar is recomended but not required. You are allowed a gas tank protector, no wider than 24 inches, must be at least 1” away from rear tray package/ backseat sheet metal. May NOT run straight back to frame humps, must angle in from back seat pipe. IT MAY RUN STRAIGHT BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE CENTER OF THE CAR, and must be 4” off the floor. May not be connected to gas tank and must be free floating. one down bars per side from cage down to floor sheet metal only (down bars must remain inside the front door seams). seat bar can not be any futher back than 6" from front door seem
11. suspension ... front a-arms may be 9 wired down or bolted with 1- 1/2" bolt with a 1.5" washer top and bottom or use a piece of 3/8th chain max weld 1 link per side of a-arm. rear ends may have 9 wire, 3/8ths cable or chain running thru the coil springs or around frame and rear end on leafed cars to prevent them from falling out. no added leafs or leaf clamps to leaf sprung cars.
12.Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All glass, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. Factory fuel tank(s) must be removed. Unused factory fuel lines must be blown free of gas. Removing unused fuel lines recommended. Factory fuel tank may not be re-used
.Battery must be re-located inside of passenger compartment. The battery must be in a solid container and must be securely fastened and covered.
13.No steel gas “cans” or plastic gas “jugs” allowed. A steel boat tank is recommended, however any metal tank deemed safe by the officials is acceptable. Any plastic or urethane “fuel cell” must be in a solid metal container and must be covered with metal. The fuel tank must be securely fastened inside the passenger compartment. Fuel line must be secured and fastened properly. Keep away from exhaust. Place fuel cell behind driver’s seat or in the center of the car where the back seat use to be. No other source of gas inside the car at all.Official’s decision is final.
14.Cars must have some type of working brakes.
15.Oil coolers, engine and transmission, are allowed. IF air coolers (fans) are used, a shield must be located between the cooler and the driver. High-pressure hydraulic lines and fittings are recommended. No gas hose is allowed. It must be compatible with transmission oil. If oil hose is used, minimum of two hose clamps per fitting. Non high-pressure oil hose must be covered. Engine cooler hose and fittings must be high pressure
16.Electric fuel pumps are allowed, must have high pressure fuel line, All fuel hose must be covered. And be safe!
17. No wheel weights or balance weights allowed on wheel rims.
18. Radiator coolant over flow tubes must point straight down.
19. bumper shocks can be collapsed and bumper chained or welded
20. ALL DOORS AND TRUNK / HOOD MUST BE CHAINED, BOLTED OR #9 WIRED SHUT. max of 2 loops chain , max 10- 5/16ths bolts per trunk hood can have 6 additional bolts of any size sheet metal to sheet metal only plus the core support bolts. if you chose you can weld the doors shut with 2 2x4x1/4" plates per door seam NO MORE
21. NO WELDING ON FRAMES AT ALL!!!!!! IF YOU DO YOU WILL NOT RUN!!! You will be given the chance to run with the oldiron/80's weld class. No re stubbing of frames or cutting and tilting of frames. YOU MAY "COLD TILT"
Repairs..... you will be given 2 4x4x1/4" repair plates per frame rail for repairs. damage must be obvious
22.MUST HAVE HALO BAR/ roll over bar allowed to be welded to floor or frame bolted to roof top. no more than 6" behind drivers seat.
23 must have 2 bars welded or bolted in the windshield area to keep hood from cutting your head off!
24. body/frame creasing is ok hammers only cost $5 everyone can swing a hammer!
25. NO CLAIM RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26. TIRES .... any tire allowed as long as no bigger than 16" no studded tires. wheel centers fine.
27. wheel well openings may be trimmed and bolted with no more than 8- 3/8th bolts per opening with a max 1.5" fender washer
28. Rusty body bolts can be changed to 1/2 max bolt with 2" max washers. no bolts out the bottom side of the frames
29. WATTS REAR TYPE OF CARS CALL FIRST ! 1-785-741-4870
30. Unlimited number 9 wire as long as there's none in front of the radiator or per rule number 3
Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2742/2016-rules-pay-sucker-events#ixzz4EV15jKt9
weld compacts
Compact Rules READ CAREFULLY CAUSE OBVIOUSLY MOST OF YOU CANT READ no where in these rules does it say outlaw
1. ALL RULES WILL BE FOLLOWED OR YOU WILL NOT RUN.
2. Any compact car or TRUCKS with the following specs; trucks 112" wheel base NO FULL SIZE TRUCKS! REAR WHEEL DRIVE AND FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 109" AND UNDER (NO FULL FRAME CARS) Maximum Wheel Base foctory . Four Wheel drive cars must remove front drive shaft. mid sized cars are allowed to run in the hobo class or full weld
3. Drivers must be 18 years of age. Ages 16-17 must have a NOTARIZED permission slip and a valid driver’s license.
4. The person that signs in as the driver – must be the driver for the event.
5. Driver must wear a seat belt, helmet, FIRE SUIT JACKET (no more exceptions to the fire jacket rule).
6. All Drivers and Crew Members must attend the drivers meeting.
7. No hot rodding in the pits, keep it at an idle. This will be the quickest way to be DISQUALIFIED.
8. Any open door or fire will cause disqualification, for that heat, of that particular car not the team.
9. You are given 1 minute to make an aggressive hit. After 1 minute that particular car will be disqualified. You are only given 1 minute in total, not 1 minute to get started and 1 minute to hit.
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11. Cars will be re-inspected before any prize money is paid out.
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13. Any complaints that a driver has about another car prior to the start of the first heat will need to be addressed in the drivers meeting in specifics. If nothing is said, we don’t want to hear about it after the show.
14. Any questions, give us a call: We can’t stress enough to call first.
15. Judges decisions are FINAL!!!
16. NO WELDING ANY FRAME HOLES SHUT!
CAGES & DOOR BARS:
- You may use channel or tubing up to 8" for the door bars. Total length is not to exceed 60". This bar may not be more than 18" behind the center post on 4 door cars and 10" behind the door seam on 2 door cars - no exceptions.
- Dash bar and seat bars may not exceed 5" diameter. Seat bar must be no further than 10" behind the seat. .
- You are allowed a gas tank protector, 24” X 6” inches, centered in the back seat area. may not be attached to anything other than back seat bar. All interior sheet metal must remain in stock position. Do not pound!
- You may add a diagonal bar behind the driver’s seat and directly below the seat bar running from the seat bar to the floor sheet metal.
- Back bar may form an “X”
- You may add 4 VERTICAL down bars, welded to your cage and to the floor sheet metal ONLY. These bars may not attach to or conceal a body mount.
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- All horizontal cage components must be at least 4" off the floor of the car, including gas tank protector, measured at the body bolt elevation.
- All cage components must be in the interior of the car, not inside the door structure with the exception of
the driver’s side. This door bar MAY be inside the door structure to allow more room for driver’s safety.
HALO OR ROLLOVER BARS:
- You may add a halo bar to the cage components listed above. It may not exceed 5" in diameter.
- On a 4-door post car, this bar must attach to the seat bar, no exceptions.
- On a 2-door or 4-door non-post car, this bar may be attached to the floor sheet metal ONLY but can also be welded to the seat bar.
- Halo bars may NOT be angled toward the rear of the car. They must be vertical.
-You may bolt or weld the halo bar to the roof sheet metal in 6 places.
SKID PLATES:
-NO Skid plates are allowed.
TRUNK LIDS:
- Trunk lids must remain 50% in the stock location. The trunk lid must remain on hinges.
- You may fasten your trunk lid in ALL OF THE FOLLOWING 3 ways:
- You may weld solid with 3" x 1/4" strap max.
- AND -You may weld 4 pieces of 5/8" all thread vertically to the rear frame rails and run them thru the trunk lid. You may use a 5" washer on the trunk lid bolts, plates may be welded or free-floating.
- AND -You may place up to 16 - 3/8" bolts in the drip rail area of the trunk lid.
- There must be 12" minimum hole in the trunk lid tail gate or wagon tail gate for inspection purposes.
- Relocation of the speaker deck is not allowed it must remain in the stock location, no relocation of any sheet metal or components. Your trunk lid may be V’ed in the center.
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HOODS:
- Hoods may be bolted, wired or chained shut ONLY.
- You may use 8 bolts to hold the hood, may be 1" all thread max.
- The 2 front bolts may go thru the frame or welded vertically to the frame with no added metal. The other 4 must be sheet metal to sheet metal.
- If you use chain or wire, you may weld up to 5" washers to the hood. If bolting, the 5" washers must be free floating.
-You may install up to 12 - 3/8" bolts or self tapping screws per hood cutout. Maximum of 3 cut outs. Maximum washer size is 1" diameter. Cutouts may be for header clearance, air breather clearance or radiator fill opening only. These bolts may NOT be installed in any area other than the immediate perimeter of the cut out.
- NO welding of cut outs is allowed.
- You must have a minimum 10" hole in the hood for fire protection.
- Hoods must be open at inspection time.
DOORS:
- Doors may be welded solid, outside only, 3" x 1/4" strap maximum.
-You may smash the inner and outer skin together and weld them solid, NO added metal. This includes wagon tailgates
- If you do not weld your doors you must chain or #9 wire them closed in at least 2 spots. You may NOT bolt your doors shut.
- Drivers door may have window netting for driver’s safety. NO other windows may have netting.
- You may weld a plate Maximum 6" x 1/4" across the front doors for protection, not to exceed 6" beyond the front door seams. NO GRADER BLADES. These plates must be in the center of the door, run horizontally.
- Wagon tail gates may be welded, , **OR** you may bolt the tailgate. 4 bolts, 4 nuts, 3/4” max **OR** you may weld 5” pieces of angle to the tailgate and quarters and use 3/4 “ max bolts.- pick 1 not all 3.
WINDOWS:
- You must have a piece of rebar/all thread/chain(3/8 max),#9 wire or 2”X1/4” straps or 2x2x1/4 running from the roof to the cowl in the windshield area for drivers protection, up to 2 pieces max. This may not be designed as reinforcement to the car and must be space at least 12" inches apart on the bottom No component may be welded within 6 inches of the DP.
- 2 rear window bars are allowed from roof sheet metal (not halo) must be at least a 2" gap between window bars and halo bars attached to sheet metal or a 3x3x1/4 plate maybe used. to the trunk lid must be within 8” of the front trunk seam. 2” max diameter or 2”x2” window bars CAN NOT BE WELDED TO THE TRUNK ALL THREAD!
- You may use 2 loops, 4 strands of #9 wire total in each window opening. This wire may go to or around the frame.
- Wagons may not use wire in any window opening front seat forward
OTHER:
- Body creasing, enhancing of existing body lines and addition of body lines is allowed to the sides of the car only.
- No doubling of body panels allowed, no added metal allowed
- Quarter panels must remain vertical.
- SEAM WELDING other than what is stated in these rules.
- Rewelding of body seam trans cross member forward (1 pass 1/4" wide and No added metal.
- Washers for #9 wire may be welded to the roof sheet metal. They may be a maximum of 1 ½" diameter. No washers may be welded for future wire installation.
- Holes may be cut in the floor & firewall to accommodate the shifter, fuel lines, and transmission lines.
- You may cut a hole in the firewall to accommodate the engine, within reason.
- You may have up to 8 - 3/8" bolts with 1¼” washers to bolt fenders together in each wheel opening.
- Excess front fender in front of radiator support may be cut off or folded over and bolted or welded back together. Four 3/8” bolts (1¼” washers) allowed per fender for this, no added metal.
- Sway bars may not be welded to frame, but brackets can.
ENGINES:
- no v8's but it must be mounted within 5" of the original motor.
- You may chain the motor, 2 chains per side, 3/8 max.
OR
- You may attached a strap on all four corners of engine going down to the frame, this strap may be welded directly to the top or side of the frame only, not to exceed 1/4” thick by 2” wide strap. The straps on the front of the motor cannot attach on the frame any more than 3” past the front of the head The straps on the rear of the motor cannot attach back on the frame any more than 3” past the back of the head and cannot extend forward at all.
- You may weld in additional supports to the engine cradle area, but they may not be attached to the frame rails at any point. Only allowed for holding engine in place.
- No engine oil coolers are allowed.
- You must have an air cleaner over the carburetor at all times.
- No starting fluid is allowed.
- Allowed to secure K member in the following ways:
Remove pucks and bolt tight to frame, stock size bolts only.
Leave pucks in between and weld 4 - 3 inch welds, total (not per side) of 12 inches only with wire only NO filler.
DISTRIBUTOR PROTECTORS/CRADLES:
- If you run a DP do not mount your dash bar closer than 5 inches to the rear most point of the firewall fresh, YOU WILL NOT RUN.
-Distributor protectors allowed, must be attached to engine or transmission only, back side must be no wider than 12 inches, must not contact cage before the event. It may not be welded, bolted or connected to body, hood or frame.
- Aftermarket Distributor protectors, cradles and pulley protectors are allowed. These must be separate items and may not all be connected for a complete engine protector system. If you use a front plate it may not be gusseted to header flanges or other components in any manner with the exception to 4 cylinder motors. No “extreme” engine systems.
-You may beat flat the engine side of the firewall only, do not weld or bolt firewall. Do not re-enforce the firewall in any way.
if you are NOT running an engine protector you may run a 1 in kicker from the dash bar to the back of the strut tower or three inches behind the a-arm
TRANSMISSIONS:
- Transmissions must be of passenger car or truck origin, transmission coolers may be used, but they must be secured in such a way to prevent injury.
- Metal or braided lines must be used. No fuel or low-pressure lines may be used.
- Coolers must be secured in a container in the passenger compartment of the car.
- You can weld 2” angle iron no thicker than ¼”, and no longer than 6” to the side of the frame to support the cross member (only if you are not using the factory cross member bracket on the frame). If you pre-bend your frame, you may not use this angle iron to reinforce your bend.
REAR ENDS:
- You may use any type of rear end (Ford / Mopar / GM / Hybrid) but 5 lug max.
- You may tilt the rear end by lengthening or shortening the trailing arms. Trailing arms must be of passenger car origin and must operate. Trailing arms may be reinforced but must be OEM origin.
- Rear end braces are allowed, but they may serve no purpose other than to strengthen the rear end housing. They may not extend from the rear end further than 6” and may not be higher than the top of the housing.
BODY BOLTS:
- All body bolts may be replaced with up to 1" bolts, maximum 8" length.
- Core support bolts may be 1" diameter. Core support bolts may go thru the hood and count as 2 of your 8 hood bolts.
- You may use pipe up to 1 ½" OD to run the core support all thread thru. These pipes may be welded to the core support using 3/16" strapping, 2 -5" pieces max per pipe.
- Washers must be free floating inside the car and inside the frame on the bottom side.
- Do NOT weld the body washers to the floor. Maximum washer size is 6" x 1/4".
- Space must be maintained between the body and the frame; Minimum 3/4".
- You may add 2 body mounts in the position of your choice. They must be painted for easy viewing.
- If you decide to bolt your coil springs in place thru the frame and the rear package tray, these will count as your added mounts.
radiator must be in the stock position in front of the motor.
- OEM style radiators only, no homemade tube construction radiators.
- You may not add cooling capacity. No supplemental cooling devices allowed.
-Radiators may be mounted in any of the following ways:
pick 1.
1 Ratchet straps
2 4-3/8” all thread front and back of radiator
3 Welding 2-1/8” X 3” to core support bolts
4 NO EXPANDED FOAM
FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEMS: - No plastic gas tanks allowed. Marine tank or metal fuel tank only.
- 5+ gallon tank recommended. No coffins, be reasonable!
- Original gas tanks must be removed from the car,
- You must have the gas tank securely mounted behind the driver’s seat and it must be covered.
- Fuel lines must run inside the car, not under the car along the frame.
- Fuel lines must be secured to the floor and kept from pinch points
- Automotive pump gas only, NO ALCOHOL.
- Electric fuel pumps are allowed. They must be covered and have an on/off switch near the steering wheel and clearly marked in large letters.
- All lines must be double clamped.
TIRES & BRAKES:
- No tires taller than 30". 4 wheels max per car. No duals.
- No split rims or studded tires, you may use aftermarket center with various bolt patterns
- Valve stem protectors allowed, wheel weights must be removed.
- Doubled or foam filled tires OK - we don’t like flats!
- All cars must be able to demonstrate the ability to stop at any time. If your brakes do not work, you will not compete.
- You may not change tires after inspection; ride height will be measured with your competition tires only.
BATTERIES:
- A maximum of 2 - 12 volt batteries may be used.
- They must be secured inside the car in front of the passenger seat and covered. and in a metal holder of some sort
- Rusted out holes in your floor sheet metal may be patched where components will be mounted or for drivers safety, sheet metal only. No other sheet metal patching is allowed unless it is a safety issue. You may not patch clean and solid floors.
- When patching all must be patched or mounted in the horizontal floorboards only. Do not mount anything within 6 inches of any body bolt.
FRAMES:
- welding allowed is from the front of the a-arms forward, no added metal.
- Pinch welds may be beat over and welded a-arms forward, no more than a ½” wide bead. no added metal
- The bumper strap to frame welding is covered in the bumper section.
- NO other frame welding is allowed. No plating, stuffing, heat treating or foam filling of frames is allowed. Do NOT paint or undercoat your frame or you will not even be inspected and loaded.
- You may weld your motor mounts to the engine cradle.
- Rear frame rails may not be shortened. No dowel pinning of the frame is allowed.
- You may notch the frame for minimal pre-bending, but do NOT weld the cut.
- You may run a chain or cable or #9 wire from rear rail to rear rail behind the rearend. 3/8" chain maximum.
- You may chain or wire your rearend to the frame. You may NOT use strapping of any kind for this. Wire or chain only. 3/8" chain maximum. Chain must go around frame on full frame cars, do not bolt through the frame creating a frame pin. Uni-body cars may use 1 bolt per side thru the frame for this.
- You may not weld the chain links to create a bar effect.
- There is no frame shaping allowed at all. Do not sharpen the corners of the frame or square them in any way. The frame humps above the rear tires may be beat in for a distance of 8” in each direction from the center of the hump. That is the ONLY frame shaping that is allowed.
- Used or Pre-ran cars may fix ripped, torn, bent, or twisted frames.
- Used cars will be allowed a total of 4 4 x 4” x ¼” repair plate per frame rail no making smaller plates out of this. Frame must be bent in order to plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUMPERS, BUMPER BRACKETS:
16" bumper shocks allowed
-You must start with a stock/replacement bumper but you are allowed to re-enforce inside or the backside between the shock mounts. Bumper re-enforcement may not be done in any way to stop frame bending. Bumper must appear stock from the stands, no spike or protruding items. from back of bumper to point can not exceed 14"
- Bumpers are interchangeable for all cars.
- You may weld the bumper seams, the shocks and weld any OEM car brackets to the frame. *OR* you may weld 16” of 1/4 X 3” flat plate from the bumper back if you decide not to run bumper brackets. Must have 2-1” holes cut in plate at third way points to prove thickness.
- If you choose not to use brackets, you may weld your bumper directly to the frame.
- You may not weld the bumper to the body at any time.
- Bumpers may be cut to keep them out of the tires.
- Bumpers may be flipped (upside down).
- Compression bumper shocks may be drained, slid back into the shock and welded fully.
- All bumper brackets and shock components must be OEM automotive materials.
- REAR bumper brackets may not be welded more than 8” onto the frame rail.
- You may run 4 loops of #9 wire from the radiator support to the bumper in 2 locations *OR* You may weld 2-3/8” max chain to bumper and bolt to the car A-arms forward to hold bumper on. If these act to strengthen the car in any way, they will be removed.
- You may weld a 2" x 6" x 1/4" strap from the bumper to the frame to help keep the bumper on the car. This must remain in one piece. It cannot be angled to the corner of the bumper to form a kicker. 6" is the maximum length.
SUSPENSION, SPRINGS:
- NO LEAF CONVERSIONS
- You may change coil springs.
- You may weld, bolt or chain down your a-arms. You are allowed either two 1”X1"X1/4 straps per side **OR** one chain **OR** one bolt per side.
- You may reinforce your tie rods, but you must use the OEM tie rod ends.
- Pipe Tie Rods are allowed but you must use the stock ends, no aftermarket hiems.
- Steering wheel to Steering gearbox may be modified.
- After market steering columns allowed.
- Air shock lines must be cut.
LEAF SPRINGS:
- 7 leaf maximum, 3/8" maximum thickness, 2 ½" wide maximum.
- Stagger - 2" long side (rear of axle), 2” short side (front of axle).
- 6 clamps per spring, minimum of 2 in front of the axle.
- Clamp material 1/4" thick, 2" wide, 2 – 3/8" bolts per clamp.
- U-bolts – ½” maximum, stock mounting plates must be used.
- Shackles and perches may not be welded or bolted to the frame.
- No homemade or oversized u-bolts will be allowed.
- No welding on the spring pack.
- No flat sprung cars - leaf pack must have a minimum of 2" of arch.
Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2742/2016-rules-pay-sucker-events#ixzz4EV1F2xmm
HOBO and COMPACTS and power wheels for the kids
payouts
hobo
1st $1500
2nd $1000
3rd $600
4th $300
compacts
1st $1000
2nd $700
3rd $400
4th $100
for showing up at shows that are part of our series you'll be given points and for placing you'll receive points.
Points/
for showing up and running 3 points
1st place 3points
2nd place 2points
3rd place 1 point
at the end of the series the one with the most points will receive cash prize and other items. this will be done for each class.
As of right now prizes will be
$1000 per class
weld class winner will also receive a 98-02 FMCO or a new set of tires
old school winner will also receive a Pre 98 FMCO or a new set of tires
compact winner will receive a full set of tires( since I don't own any compacts)
prizes may increase!
Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2742/2016-rules-pay-sucker-events#ixzz4EV0nRa3z
rules
FULL SIZE OLDSCHOOL/HOBO
Hobo any yr of car allowed (no imps, hearse, ambulance, trucks, vans) mini vans ok NO 03 and newer fords or frames
1. car needs to remain as close as stock as possible
2. NO carb/DP's,
3. engine/trans swaps ok , can weld lower mounts in to do a clean conversion (no added metal!) you may use 2 chains or 2 4x4x1/4" plates to keep your motor from "flopping around" the plates can only be welded from factory motor clams to the frame. if you use the chain 1 link may be welded to the frame any where within the head area of the motor You may use a lower engine cradle, however if you do you must use stock lower gm or ford motor mounts and CAN NOT use any chains, 9 wire or plates to keep motor tight. This cradle is only to protect your block. If the inspection crew deems that the cradle is being used to reinforce the car in any way you WILL NOT run!
4.NO truck rear ends, must be a stock car rear end (gears are fine, after market axles NOT allowed) a slider type drive shaft may be used ( there is cheap ways out there to do this with out spending lots of money. 2 wheel drive chevy truck drive shafts will get similar results)
5. bumper swaps allowed but must be an automotive car bumper. You can weld bumper shocks, bumper brackets, and frame seams SOLID 4" from the back side of the bumper per side to attach bumpers on. bumper skin can be welded solid and bumper may be loaded between the frame rails (all material used to load must remain inside the factory bumper skins) we changed the bumper rules to cut down on the cost of building a car, one bumper should last thru several cars if the car your using came from the factory with bumper brackets they must remain in the stock location
6. ONLY welding allowed is drivers door and cage.
7.may use a trans mounted shifter. after market gas/brake pedals ok.
8. may use up to 1" core support bolts thru the hood but only thru the top of the frame. a spacer may be used between the core support and the frame but it can not be welded .
9. CAR MUST HAVE A DRIVERS DOOR BAR
10. a dash bar and seat bar is recomended but not required. You are allowed a gas tank protector, no wider than 24 inches, must be at least 1” away from rear tray package/ backseat sheet metal. May NOT run straight back to frame humps, must angle in from back seat pipe. IT MAY RUN STRAIGHT BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE CENTER OF THE CAR, and must be 4” off the floor. May not be connected to gas tank and must be free floating. one down bars per side from cage down to floor sheet metal only (down bars must remain inside the front door seams). seat bar can not be any futher back than 6" from front door seem
11. suspension ... front a-arms may be 9 wired down or bolted with 1- 1/2" bolt with a 1.5" washer top and bottom or use a piece of 3/8th chain max weld 1 link per side of a-arm. rear ends may have 9 wire, 3/8ths cable or chain running thru the coil springs or around frame and rear end on leafed cars to prevent them from falling out. no added leafs or leaf clamps to leaf sprung cars.
12.Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All glass, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. Factory fuel tank(s) must be removed. Unused factory fuel lines must be blown free of gas. Removing unused fuel lines recommended. Factory fuel tank may not be re-used
.Battery must be re-located inside of passenger compartment. The battery must be in a solid container and must be securely fastened and covered.
13.No steel gas “cans” or plastic gas “jugs” allowed. A steel boat tank is recommended, however any metal tank deemed safe by the officials is acceptable. Any plastic or urethane “fuel cell” must be in a solid metal container and must be covered with metal. The fuel tank must be securely fastened inside the passenger compartment. Fuel line must be secured and fastened properly. Keep away from exhaust. Place fuel cell behind driver’s seat or in the center of the car where the back seat use to be. No other source of gas inside the car at all.Official’s decision is final.
14.Cars must have some type of working brakes.
15.Oil coolers, engine and transmission, are allowed. IF air coolers (fans) are used, a shield must be located between the cooler and the driver. High-pressure hydraulic lines and fittings are recommended. No gas hose is allowed. It must be compatible with transmission oil. If oil hose is used, minimum of two hose clamps per fitting. Non high-pressure oil hose must be covered. Engine cooler hose and fittings must be high pressure
16.Electric fuel pumps are allowed, must have high pressure fuel line, All fuel hose must be covered. And be safe!
17. No wheel weights or balance weights allowed on wheel rims.
18. Radiator coolant over flow tubes must point straight down.
19. bumper shocks can be collapsed and bumper chained or welded
20. ALL DOORS AND TRUNK / HOOD MUST BE CHAINED, BOLTED OR #9 WIRED SHUT. max of 2 loops chain , max 10- 5/16ths bolts per trunk hood can have 6 additional bolts of any size sheet metal to sheet metal only plus the core support bolts. if you chose you can weld the doors shut with 2 2x4x1/4" plates per door seam NO MORE
21. NO WELDING ON FRAMES AT ALL!!!!!! IF YOU DO YOU WILL NOT RUN!!! You will be given the chance to run with the oldiron/80's weld class. No re stubbing of frames or cutting and tilting of frames. YOU MAY "COLD TILT"
Repairs..... you will be given 2 4x4x1/4" repair plates per frame rail for repairs. damage must be obvious
22.MUST HAVE HALO BAR/ roll over bar allowed to be welded to floor or frame bolted to roof top. no more than 6" behind drivers seat.
23 must have 2 bars welded or bolted in the windshield area to keep hood from cutting your head off!
24. body/frame creasing is ok hammers only cost $5 everyone can swing a hammer!
25. NO CLAIM RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26. TIRES .... any tire allowed as long as no bigger than 16" no studded tires. wheel centers fine.
27. wheel well openings may be trimmed and bolted with no more than 8- 3/8th bolts per opening with a max 1.5" fender washer
28. Rusty body bolts can be changed to 1/2 max bolt with 2" max washers. no bolts out the bottom side of the frames
29. WATTS REAR TYPE OF CARS CALL FIRST ! 1-785-741-4870
30. Unlimited number 9 wire as long as there's none in front of the radiator or per rule number 3
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weld compacts
Compact Rules READ CAREFULLY CAUSE OBVIOUSLY MOST OF YOU CANT READ no where in these rules does it say outlaw
1. ALL RULES WILL BE FOLLOWED OR YOU WILL NOT RUN.
2. Any compact car or TRUCKS with the following specs; trucks 112" wheel base NO FULL SIZE TRUCKS! REAR WHEEL DRIVE AND FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 109" AND UNDER (NO FULL FRAME CARS) Maximum Wheel Base foctory . Four Wheel drive cars must remove front drive shaft. mid sized cars are allowed to run in the hobo class or full weld
3. Drivers must be 18 years of age. Ages 16-17 must have a NOTARIZED permission slip and a valid driver’s license.
4. The person that signs in as the driver – must be the driver for the event.
5. Driver must wear a seat belt, helmet, FIRE SUIT JACKET (no more exceptions to the fire jacket rule).
6. All Drivers and Crew Members must attend the drivers meeting.
7. No hot rodding in the pits, keep it at an idle. This will be the quickest way to be DISQUALIFIED.
8. Any open door or fire will cause disqualification, for that heat, of that particular car not the team.
9. You are given 1 minute to make an aggressive hit. After 1 minute that particular car will be disqualified. You are only given 1 minute in total, not 1 minute to get started and 1 minute to hit.
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11. Cars will be re-inspected before any prize money is paid out.
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13. Any complaints that a driver has about another car prior to the start of the first heat will need to be addressed in the drivers meeting in specifics. If nothing is said, we don’t want to hear about it after the show.
14. Any questions, give us a call: We can’t stress enough to call first.
15. Judges decisions are FINAL!!!
16. NO WELDING ANY FRAME HOLES SHUT!
CAGES & DOOR BARS:
- You may use channel or tubing up to 8" for the door bars. Total length is not to exceed 60". This bar may not be more than 18" behind the center post on 4 door cars and 10" behind the door seam on 2 door cars - no exceptions.
- Dash bar and seat bars may not exceed 5" diameter. Seat bar must be no further than 10" behind the seat. .
- You are allowed a gas tank protector, 24” X 6” inches, centered in the back seat area. may not be attached to anything other than back seat bar. All interior sheet metal must remain in stock position. Do not pound!
- You may add a diagonal bar behind the driver’s seat and directly below the seat bar running from the seat bar to the floor sheet metal.
- Back bar may form an “X”
- You may add 4 VERTICAL down bars, welded to your cage and to the floor sheet metal ONLY. These bars may not attach to or conceal a body mount.
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- All horizontal cage components must be at least 4" off the floor of the car, including gas tank protector, measured at the body bolt elevation.
- All cage components must be in the interior of the car, not inside the door structure with the exception of
the driver’s side. This door bar MAY be inside the door structure to allow more room for driver’s safety.
HALO OR ROLLOVER BARS:
- You may add a halo bar to the cage components listed above. It may not exceed 5" in diameter.
- On a 4-door post car, this bar must attach to the seat bar, no exceptions.
- On a 2-door or 4-door non-post car, this bar may be attached to the floor sheet metal ONLY but can also be welded to the seat bar.
- Halo bars may NOT be angled toward the rear of the car. They must be vertical.
-You may bolt or weld the halo bar to the roof sheet metal in 6 places.
SKID PLATES:
-NO Skid plates are allowed.
TRUNK LIDS:
- Trunk lids must remain 50% in the stock location. The trunk lid must remain on hinges.
- You may fasten your trunk lid in ALL OF THE FOLLOWING 3 ways:
- You may weld solid with 3" x 1/4" strap max.
- AND -You may weld 4 pieces of 5/8" all thread vertically to the rear frame rails and run them thru the trunk lid. You may use a 5" washer on the trunk lid bolts, plates may be welded or free-floating.
- AND -You may place up to 16 - 3/8" bolts in the drip rail area of the trunk lid.
- There must be 12" minimum hole in the trunk lid tail gate or wagon tail gate for inspection purposes.
- Relocation of the speaker deck is not allowed it must remain in the stock location, no relocation of any sheet metal or components. Your trunk lid may be V’ed in the center.
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HOODS:
- Hoods may be bolted, wired or chained shut ONLY.
- You may use 8 bolts to hold the hood, may be 1" all thread max.
- The 2 front bolts may go thru the frame or welded vertically to the frame with no added metal. The other 4 must be sheet metal to sheet metal.
- If you use chain or wire, you may weld up to 5" washers to the hood. If bolting, the 5" washers must be free floating.
-You may install up to 12 - 3/8" bolts or self tapping screws per hood cutout. Maximum of 3 cut outs. Maximum washer size is 1" diameter. Cutouts may be for header clearance, air breather clearance or radiator fill opening only. These bolts may NOT be installed in any area other than the immediate perimeter of the cut out.
- NO welding of cut outs is allowed.
- You must have a minimum 10" hole in the hood for fire protection.
- Hoods must be open at inspection time.
DOORS:
- Doors may be welded solid, outside only, 3" x 1/4" strap maximum.
-You may smash the inner and outer skin together and weld them solid, NO added metal. This includes wagon tailgates
- If you do not weld your doors you must chain or #9 wire them closed in at least 2 spots. You may NOT bolt your doors shut.
- Drivers door may have window netting for driver’s safety. NO other windows may have netting.
- You may weld a plate Maximum 6" x 1/4" across the front doors for protection, not to exceed 6" beyond the front door seams. NO GRADER BLADES. These plates must be in the center of the door, run horizontally.
- Wagon tail gates may be welded, , **OR** you may bolt the tailgate. 4 bolts, 4 nuts, 3/4” max **OR** you may weld 5” pieces of angle to the tailgate and quarters and use 3/4 “ max bolts.- pick 1 not all 3.
WINDOWS:
- You must have a piece of rebar/all thread/chain(3/8 max),#9 wire or 2”X1/4” straps or 2x2x1/4 running from the roof to the cowl in the windshield area for drivers protection, up to 2 pieces max. This may not be designed as reinforcement to the car and must be space at least 12" inches apart on the bottom No component may be welded within 6 inches of the DP.
- 2 rear window bars are allowed from roof sheet metal (not halo) must be at least a 2" gap between window bars and halo bars attached to sheet metal or a 3x3x1/4 plate maybe used. to the trunk lid must be within 8” of the front trunk seam. 2” max diameter or 2”x2” window bars CAN NOT BE WELDED TO THE TRUNK ALL THREAD!
- You may use 2 loops, 4 strands of #9 wire total in each window opening. This wire may go to or around the frame.
- Wagons may not use wire in any window opening front seat forward
OTHER:
- Body creasing, enhancing of existing body lines and addition of body lines is allowed to the sides of the car only.
- No doubling of body panels allowed, no added metal allowed
- Quarter panels must remain vertical.
- SEAM WELDING other than what is stated in these rules.
- Rewelding of body seam trans cross member forward (1 pass 1/4" wide and No added metal.
- Washers for #9 wire may be welded to the roof sheet metal. They may be a maximum of 1 ½" diameter. No washers may be welded for future wire installation.
- Holes may be cut in the floor & firewall to accommodate the shifter, fuel lines, and transmission lines.
- You may cut a hole in the firewall to accommodate the engine, within reason.
- You may have up to 8 - 3/8" bolts with 1¼” washers to bolt fenders together in each wheel opening.
- Excess front fender in front of radiator support may be cut off or folded over and bolted or welded back together. Four 3/8” bolts (1¼” washers) allowed per fender for this, no added metal.
- Sway bars may not be welded to frame, but brackets can.
ENGINES:
- no v8's but it must be mounted within 5" of the original motor.
- You may chain the motor, 2 chains per side, 3/8 max.
OR
- You may attached a strap on all four corners of engine going down to the frame, this strap may be welded directly to the top or side of the frame only, not to exceed 1/4” thick by 2” wide strap. The straps on the front of the motor cannot attach on the frame any more than 3” past the front of the head The straps on the rear of the motor cannot attach back on the frame any more than 3” past the back of the head and cannot extend forward at all.
- You may weld in additional supports to the engine cradle area, but they may not be attached to the frame rails at any point. Only allowed for holding engine in place.
- No engine oil coolers are allowed.
- You must have an air cleaner over the carburetor at all times.
- No starting fluid is allowed.
- Allowed to secure K member in the following ways:
Remove pucks and bolt tight to frame, stock size bolts only.
Leave pucks in between and weld 4 - 3 inch welds, total (not per side) of 12 inches only with wire only NO filler.
DISTRIBUTOR PROTECTORS/CRADLES:
- If you run a DP do not mount your dash bar closer than 5 inches to the rear most point of the firewall fresh, YOU WILL NOT RUN.
-Distributor protectors allowed, must be attached to engine or transmission only, back side must be no wider than 12 inches, must not contact cage before the event. It may not be welded, bolted or connected to body, hood or frame.
- Aftermarket Distributor protectors, cradles and pulley protectors are allowed. These must be separate items and may not all be connected for a complete engine protector system. If you use a front plate it may not be gusseted to header flanges or other components in any manner with the exception to 4 cylinder motors. No “extreme” engine systems.
-You may beat flat the engine side of the firewall only, do not weld or bolt firewall. Do not re-enforce the firewall in any way.
if you are NOT running an engine protector you may run a 1 in kicker from the dash bar to the back of the strut tower or three inches behind the a-arm
TRANSMISSIONS:
- Transmissions must be of passenger car or truck origin, transmission coolers may be used, but they must be secured in such a way to prevent injury.
- Metal or braided lines must be used. No fuel or low-pressure lines may be used.
- Coolers must be secured in a container in the passenger compartment of the car.
- You can weld 2” angle iron no thicker than ¼”, and no longer than 6” to the side of the frame to support the cross member (only if you are not using the factory cross member bracket on the frame). If you pre-bend your frame, you may not use this angle iron to reinforce your bend.
REAR ENDS:
- You may use any type of rear end (Ford / Mopar / GM / Hybrid) but 5 lug max.
- You may tilt the rear end by lengthening or shortening the trailing arms. Trailing arms must be of passenger car origin and must operate. Trailing arms may be reinforced but must be OEM origin.
- Rear end braces are allowed, but they may serve no purpose other than to strengthen the rear end housing. They may not extend from the rear end further than 6” and may not be higher than the top of the housing.
BODY BOLTS:
- All body bolts may be replaced with up to 1" bolts, maximum 8" length.
- Core support bolts may be 1" diameter. Core support bolts may go thru the hood and count as 2 of your 8 hood bolts.
- You may use pipe up to 1 ½" OD to run the core support all thread thru. These pipes may be welded to the core support using 3/16" strapping, 2 -5" pieces max per pipe.
- Washers must be free floating inside the car and inside the frame on the bottom side.
- Do NOT weld the body washers to the floor. Maximum washer size is 6" x 1/4".
- Space must be maintained between the body and the frame; Minimum 3/4".
- You may add 2 body mounts in the position of your choice. They must be painted for easy viewing.
- If you decide to bolt your coil springs in place thru the frame and the rear package tray, these will count as your added mounts.
radiator must be in the stock position in front of the motor.
- OEM style radiators only, no homemade tube construction radiators.
- You may not add cooling capacity. No supplemental cooling devices allowed.
-Radiators may be mounted in any of the following ways:
pick 1.
1 Ratchet straps
2 4-3/8” all thread front and back of radiator
3 Welding 2-1/8” X 3” to core support bolts
4 NO EXPANDED FOAM
FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEMS: - No plastic gas tanks allowed. Marine tank or metal fuel tank only.
- 5+ gallon tank recommended. No coffins, be reasonable!
- Original gas tanks must be removed from the car,
- You must have the gas tank securely mounted behind the driver’s seat and it must be covered.
- Fuel lines must run inside the car, not under the car along the frame.
- Fuel lines must be secured to the floor and kept from pinch points
- Automotive pump gas only, NO ALCOHOL.
- Electric fuel pumps are allowed. They must be covered and have an on/off switch near the steering wheel and clearly marked in large letters.
- All lines must be double clamped.
TIRES & BRAKES:
- No tires taller than 30". 4 wheels max per car. No duals.
- No split rims or studded tires, you may use aftermarket center with various bolt patterns
- Valve stem protectors allowed, wheel weights must be removed.
- Doubled or foam filled tires OK - we don’t like flats!
- All cars must be able to demonstrate the ability to stop at any time. If your brakes do not work, you will not compete.
- You may not change tires after inspection; ride height will be measured with your competition tires only.
BATTERIES:
- A maximum of 2 - 12 volt batteries may be used.
- They must be secured inside the car in front of the passenger seat and covered. and in a metal holder of some sort
- Rusted out holes in your floor sheet metal may be patched where components will be mounted or for drivers safety, sheet metal only. No other sheet metal patching is allowed unless it is a safety issue. You may not patch clean and solid floors.
- When patching all must be patched or mounted in the horizontal floorboards only. Do not mount anything within 6 inches of any body bolt.
FRAMES:
- welding allowed is from the front of the a-arms forward, no added metal.
- Pinch welds may be beat over and welded a-arms forward, no more than a ½” wide bead. no added metal
- The bumper strap to frame welding is covered in the bumper section.
- NO other frame welding is allowed. No plating, stuffing, heat treating or foam filling of frames is allowed. Do NOT paint or undercoat your frame or you will not even be inspected and loaded.
- You may weld your motor mounts to the engine cradle.
- Rear frame rails may not be shortened. No dowel pinning of the frame is allowed.
- You may notch the frame for minimal pre-bending, but do NOT weld the cut.
- You may run a chain or cable or #9 wire from rear rail to rear rail behind the rearend. 3/8" chain maximum.
- You may chain or wire your rearend to the frame. You may NOT use strapping of any kind for this. Wire or chain only. 3/8" chain maximum. Chain must go around frame on full frame cars, do not bolt through the frame creating a frame pin. Uni-body cars may use 1 bolt per side thru the frame for this.
- You may not weld the chain links to create a bar effect.
- There is no frame shaping allowed at all. Do not sharpen the corners of the frame or square them in any way. The frame humps above the rear tires may be beat in for a distance of 8” in each direction from the center of the hump. That is the ONLY frame shaping that is allowed.
- Used or Pre-ran cars may fix ripped, torn, bent, or twisted frames.
- Used cars will be allowed a total of 4 4 x 4” x ¼” repair plate per frame rail no making smaller plates out of this. Frame must be bent in order to plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUMPERS, BUMPER BRACKETS:
16" bumper shocks allowed
-You must start with a stock/replacement bumper but you are allowed to re-enforce inside or the backside between the shock mounts. Bumper re-enforcement may not be done in any way to stop frame bending. Bumper must appear stock from the stands, no spike or protruding items. from back of bumper to point can not exceed 14"
- Bumpers are interchangeable for all cars.
- You may weld the bumper seams, the shocks and weld any OEM car brackets to the frame. *OR* you may weld 16” of 1/4 X 3” flat plate from the bumper back if you decide not to run bumper brackets. Must have 2-1” holes cut in plate at third way points to prove thickness.
- If you choose not to use brackets, you may weld your bumper directly to the frame.
- You may not weld the bumper to the body at any time.
- Bumpers may be cut to keep them out of the tires.
- Bumpers may be flipped (upside down).
- Compression bumper shocks may be drained, slid back into the shock and welded fully.
- All bumper brackets and shock components must be OEM automotive materials.
- REAR bumper brackets may not be welded more than 8” onto the frame rail.
- You may run 4 loops of #9 wire from the radiator support to the bumper in 2 locations *OR* You may weld 2-3/8” max chain to bumper and bolt to the car A-arms forward to hold bumper on. If these act to strengthen the car in any way, they will be removed.
- You may weld a 2" x 6" x 1/4" strap from the bumper to the frame to help keep the bumper on the car. This must remain in one piece. It cannot be angled to the corner of the bumper to form a kicker. 6" is the maximum length.
SUSPENSION, SPRINGS:
- NO LEAF CONVERSIONS
- You may change coil springs.
- You may weld, bolt or chain down your a-arms. You are allowed either two 1”X1"X1/4 straps per side **OR** one chain **OR** one bolt per side.
- You may reinforce your tie rods, but you must use the OEM tie rod ends.
- Pipe Tie Rods are allowed but you must use the stock ends, no aftermarket hiems.
- Steering wheel to Steering gearbox may be modified.
- After market steering columns allowed.
- Air shock lines must be cut.
LEAF SPRINGS:
- 7 leaf maximum, 3/8" maximum thickness, 2 ½" wide maximum.
- Stagger - 2" long side (rear of axle), 2” short side (front of axle).
- 6 clamps per spring, minimum of 2 in front of the axle.
- Clamp material 1/4" thick, 2" wide, 2 – 3/8" bolts per clamp.
- U-bolts – ½” maximum, stock mounting plates must be used.
- Shackles and perches may not be welded or bolted to the frame.
- No homemade or oversized u-bolts will be allowed.
- No welding on the spring pack.
- No flat sprung cars - leaf pack must have a minimum of 2" of arch.
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