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Post by cutit on Aug 15, 2016 18:46:57 GMT -5
OVERBROOK KANSAS WILL BE HAVING ITS FALL DERBY. THE HOBO AND COMPACT RULES WE WILL BE RUNNING WILL BE THE SAME AS PAY-UP SUCKER. PAY OUT WILL BE COMING LATER THIS WEEK. THE SHOW WILL START AT 7:00. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL LUKE AT 785-393-1762
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Post by cutit on Aug 17, 2016 10:52:16 GMT -5
Hobo / beginner class any year of car allowed (no imps, subs, hearse, ambulance, trucks, vans) mini vans ok NO 03 and newer fords or frames 1. car needs to remain as close as stock as possible
2. NO carb/DP's,
3. engine/trans swaps ok , can weld lower mounts in to do a clean conversion (no added metal!) you may use 2 chains or 2 4x4x1/4" plates to keep your motor from "flopping around" the plates can only be welded from factory motor clams to the frame. if you use the chain 1 link may be welded to the frame any where within the head area of the motor You may use a lower engine cradle, however if you do you must use stock lower gm or ford motor mounts and CAN NOT use any chains, 9 wire or plates to keep motor tight. This cradle is only to protect your block. If the inspection crew deems that the cradle is being used to reinforce the car in any way you WILL NOT run!
4.NO truck rear ends, must be a stock car rear end (gears are fine, after market axles NOT allowed) a slider type drive shaft may be used ( there is cheap ways out there to do this with out spending lots of money. 2 wheel drive Chevy truck drive shafts will get similar results)
5. bumper swaps allowed but must be an automotive car bumper can have 8" of weld per side to attach bumpers on NO WELDING OF THE BUMPER SKIN, NO ADDED METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! if the car your using came from the factory with bumper brackets they must remain in the stock location
6. ONLY welding allowed is drivers door and cage.
7.may use a trans mounted shifter. after market gas/brake pedals ok.
8. may use up to 1" core support bolts thru the hood but only thru the top of the frame. a spacer may be used between the core support and the frame but it can not be welded .
9. CAR MUST HAVE A DRIVERS DOOR BAR
10. a dash bar and seat bar is recommended but not required. You are allowed a gas tank protector, no wider than 24 inches, must be at least 1” away from rear tray package/ backseat sheet metal. May NOT run straight back to frame humps, must angle in from back seat pipe. IT MAY RUN STRAIGHT BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE CENTER OF THE CAR, and must be 4” off the floor. May not be connected to gas tank and must be free floating. NO down bars from the cage! seat bar can not be any further back than 6" from front door seem
11. suspension ... front a-arms may be 9 wired down or bolted with 1- 1/2" bolt with a 1.5" washer top and bottom. rear ends may have 9 wire, 3/8ths cable or chain running thru the coil springs or around frame and rear end on leafed cars to prevent them from falling out. no added leafs or leaf clamps to leaf sprung cars.
12.Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All glass, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. Factory fuel tank(s) must be removed. Unused factory fuel lines must be blown free of gas. Removing unused fuel lines recommended. Factory fuel tank may not be re-used .Battery must be re-located inside of passenger compartment. The battery must be in a solid container and must be securely fastened and covered.
13.No steel gas “cans” or plastic gas “jugs” allowed. A steel boat tank is recommended, however any metal tank deemed safe by the officials is acceptable. Any plastic or urethane “fuel cell” must be in a solid metal container and must be covered with metal. The fuel tank must be securely fastened inside the passenger compartment. Fuel cell cannot exceed 12”x12”x12” or 7 gallons. Fuel line must be secured and fastened properly. Keep away from exhaust. Place fuel cell behind driver’s seat or in the center of the car where the back seat use to be. No other source of gas inside the car at all. Official’s decision is final.
14.Cars must have some type of working brakes.
15.Oil coolers, engine and transmission, are allowed. IF air coolers (fans) are used, a shield must be located between the cooler and the driver. High-pressure hydraulic lines and fittings are recommended. No gas hose is allowed. It must be compatible with transmission oil. If oil hose is used, minimum of two hose clamps per fitting. Non high-pressure oil hose must be covered. Engine cooler hose and fittings must be high pressure
16.Electric fuel pumps are allowed, must have high pressure fuel line, All fuel hose must be covered. And be safe!
17. No wheel weights or balance weights allowed on wheel rims.
18. Radiator coolant over flow tubes must point straight down.
19. bumper shocks can be collapsed and bumper chained
20. ALL DOORS AND TRUNK / HOOD MUST BE CHAINED, BOLTED OR #9 WIRED SHUT. max of 2 loops chain , max 10- 5/16ths bolts per trunk or hood to hold shut. if you chose you can weld the doors shut with 2 2x4x1/4" plates per door seam NO MORE
21. NO WELDING ON FRAMES AT ALL!!!!!! IF YOU DO YOU WILL NOT RUN!!! No re stubbing of frames or cutting and tilting of frames. YOU MAY "COLD TILT" 22.Repairs.....Max of 16” of plate per frame rail. No thicker than ¼”no wider than 4” damage must be obvious
23.MUST HAVE HALO BAR/ roll over bar allowed to be welded to floor pan only and bolted to roof top. no more than 6" behind drivers seat.
24. must have 2 bars welded or bolted in the windshield area to keep hood from cutting your head off!
25. NO CLAIM RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26. TIRES .... any tire allowed as long as no bigger than 16" no studded tires. wheel centers fine.
27. wheel well openings may be trimmed and bolted with no more than 8- 3/8th bolts per opening with a max 1.5" fender washer
28. Rusty body bolts can be changed to 1/2 max bolt with 2" max washers. no bolts out the bottom side of the frames
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Post by cutit on Aug 17, 2016 11:27:49 GMT -5
Compact Promod Class
Wheelbase: Up to 108" factory MAX, compact trucks are allowed. MUST BE AUTOMOTIVE PASSENGER VEHICLE...NO TRACTORS TANKS OR WHATEVER OFF THE WALL THING THAT CAN BE THOUGHT UP.
Here is basically what is allowed:
Fully plating the frame Stuffing the frame Welding all seams Leaf conversions Sub frame connectors Any motor, transmission, rear end Protectors Braced rear ends
Kickers are allowed.
Homemade bumper rule: Can be 8"x8" max, can have a point, point must be tapered 24" and point cannot extend more than 6" from front face of the bumper (got to keep it safe)
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Post by cutit on Aug 18, 2016 10:56:02 GMT -5
Overbrook pay out will be guaranteed. We will be starting with this pay out and as we get more sponsors and added money the pay out will go up. so to start with the pay out will look like this but remember this will change the pay out will never go down just up. to start:
compact: 1st 500 2nd 300 3rd % of cars entered 4th % of cars entered
Hobo: 1st 1500 2nd 500 3rd 250 4th 175
100% of driver entry will be paid back in each class.
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Post by angelabeee on Aug 18, 2016 11:42:28 GMT -5
Some of the rules you posted are different than what is written by Pay Up in the McLouth derby forum. Will you allow filled bumpers since we have them done for previous races? 5. bumper swaps allowed but must be an automotive car bumper. You can weld bumper shocks, bumper brackets, and frame seams SOLID 4" from the back side of the bumper per side to attach bumpers on. bumper skin can be welded solid and bumper may be loaded between the frame rails (all material used to load must remain inside the factory bumper skins) we changed the bumper rules to cut down on the cost of building a car, one bumper should last thru several cars if the car your using came from the factory with bumper brackets they must remain in the stock location Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2748/saturday-27th-mclouth-2500-hobo#ixzz4Hhdgucvf
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Post by cutit on Aug 19, 2016 10:26:31 GMT -5
These rules are from the Burlingame page. Loaded bumper are ok the skin can also be welded down. 8 inch of welding is to hold the bumper on. I hope this helped. Thanks for asking
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Post by derbycar88taylin on Aug 19, 2016 20:56:13 GMT -5
Yes an what about plating the frame mclouth is allowing 4 4x4 1/4 thick plate is that still allowed an restub the back is it also
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Post by cutit on Aug 21, 2016 11:53:32 GMT -5
Rule #22 22.Repairs.....Max of 16” of plate per frame rail. No thicker than ¼”no wider than 4” damage must be obvious
Thanks for asking
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Post by jbsmashtyme on Sept 12, 2016 6:37:40 GMT -5
What about front frame seams A-arms forward. #6 in his rules on some of them says "6. ONLY welding allowed is drivers door and cage. bumpers and frame seam a-arms forward" Already have mine welded and was wanting to run it there.
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Post by freshpaint on Sept 12, 2016 14:59:28 GMT -5
I was curious about the overbrook derby. I am a beginner and have only run 1 derby. Do you have the rules for the compact class. I have a 4 door AMC concord. I would consider it a small car but not sure what class you would have it run in. Also do I just pay the entry fee the day of, or what do I need to do?
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Post by amp88 on Sept 14, 2016 14:58:29 GMT -5
Are these the same as jessees shows for his clean up rules?
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Post by cutit on Sept 18, 2016 14:12:55 GMT -5
We have a few sponsors that have jumped on-board and now have 1500 of added money for the classes. I will add 1000 to full-size hobo and 500 more to compact. please don't forget that all entry fee will be added money for each class. Hobo cars may have to run heats so please bring parts. Thanks
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Post by 05chevyz71 on Sept 18, 2016 20:29:20 GMT -5
Quick question, maybe I've overlooked it but what time are you running inspections? Thanks
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Post by cutit on Sept 18, 2016 21:01:45 GMT -5
Derby cars inspections will be over at 5. We have a full day planed so I will need to have the cars inspected by 5. thanks for asking
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Post by BDT22 on Sept 19, 2016 11:20:31 GMT -5
They are adding $1000 to the hobo purse and $500 to compacts. This will be divided however the driver's would like.
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