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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Feb 8, 2017 11:29:21 GMT -5
FULL SIZE limited weld/hobo Hobo any yr of car allowed (no imps, hearse, ambulance, trucks, vans) mini vans ok NO 03 and newer fords or frames 1. car needs to remain as close as stock as possible
2. NO carb/DP's,
3. engine/trans swaps ok , can weld lower mounts in to do a clean conversion (no added metal!) you may use 2 chains or 2 4x4x1/4" plates to keep your motor from "flopping around" the plates can only be welded from factory motor clams to the frame. if you use the chain 1 link may be welded to the frame any where within the head area of the motor You may use a lower engine cradle, however if you do you must use stock lower gm or ford motor mounts and CAN NOT use any chains, 9 wire or plates to keep motor tight. This cradle is only to protect your block. If the inspection crew deems that the cradle is being used to reinforce the car in any way you WILL NOT run!
4.NO truck rear ends, must be a stock car rear end (gears are fine, after market axles NOT allowed) a slider type drive shaft may be used ( there is cheap ways out there to do this with out spending lots of money. 2 wheel drive chevy truck drive shafts will get similar results)
5. bumper swaps allowed but must be an automotive car bumper. You can weld bumper shocks, bumper brackets, and frame seams SOLID 4" from the back side of the bumper per side to attach bumpers on. bumper skin can be welded solid and bumper may be loaded between the frame rails (all material used to load must remain inside the factory bumper skins)we changed the bumper rules to cut down on the cost of building a car, one bumper should last thru several cars if the car your using came from the factory with bumper brackets they must remain in the stock location
6. welding allowed is drivers door solid, 2 4" plates per seams other doors and hood/trunk.and cage. bumpers and frame seam a-arms forward
7.may use a trans mounted shifter. after market gas/brake pedals ok.
8. may use up to 1" core support bolts thru the hood but only thru the top of the frame. a spacer may be used between the core support and the frame but it can not be welded .
9. CAR MUST HAVE A DRIVERS DOOR BAR
10. a dash bar and seat bar is recomended but not required. You are allowed a gas tank protector, no wider than 24 inches, must be at least 1” away from rear tray package/ backseat sheet metal. May NOT run straight back to frame humps, must angle in from back seat pipe. IT MAY RUN STRAIGHT BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE CENTER OF THE CAR, and must be 4” off the floor. May not be connected to gas tank and must be free floating. one down bars per side from cage down to floor sheet metal only (down bars must remain inside the front door seams). seat bar can not be any futher back than 6" from front door seem
11. suspension ... front a-arms may be 9 wired down or bolted with 1- 1/2" bolt with a 1.5" washer top and bottom or use a piece of 3/8th chain max weld 1 link per side of a-arm. rear ends may have 9 wire, 3/8ths cable or chain running thru the coil springs or around frame and rear end on leafed cars to prevent them from falling out. no added leafs or leaf clamps to leaf sprung cars.
12.Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All glass, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. Factory fuel tank(s) must be removed. Unused factory fuel lines must be blown free of gas. Removing unused fuel lines recommended. Factory fuel tank may not be re-used .Battery must be re-located inside of passenger compartment. The battery must be in a solid container and must be securely fastened and covered.
13.No steel gas “cans” or plastic gas “jugs” allowed. A steel boat tank is recommended, however any metal tank deemed safe by the officials is acceptable. Any plastic or urethane “fuel cell” must be in a solid metal container and must be covered with metal. The fuel tank must be securely fastened inside the passenger compartment. Fuel line must be secured and fastened properly. Keep away from exhaust. Place fuel cell behind driver’s seat or in the center of the car where the back seat use to be. No other source of gas inside the car at all.Official’s decision is final.
14.Cars must have some type of working brakes.
15.Oil coolers, engine and transmission, are allowed. IF air coolers (fans) are used, a shield must be located between the cooler and the driver. High-pressure hydraulic lines and fittings are recommended. No gas hose is allowed. It must be compatible with transmission oil. If oil hose is used, minimum of two hose clamps per fitting. Non high-pressure oil hose must be covered. Engine cooler hose and fittings must be high pressure
16.Electric fuel pumps are allowed, must have high pressure fuel line, All fuel hose must be covered. And be safe!
17. No wheel weights or balance weights allowed on wheel rims.
18. Radiator coolant over flow tubes must point straight down.
19. bumper shocks can be collapsed and bumper chained or welded
20. ALL DOORS AND TRUNK / HOOD MUST BE CHAINED, BOLTED OR #9 WIRED SHUT. max of 2 loops chain , max 10- 5/16ths bolts per trunk,NEW THIS YEAR 2017, TRUNKS ARE ALLOWED 2- 3/4" MAX ALLTHREAD IN THE TRUNK SHEET METAL TO SHEET METAL ONLY!!!! THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE FROM LAST YEARS RULES hood can have 6 additional bolts of any size sheet metal to sheet metal only plus the core support bolts. if you chose you can weld the doors/trunk shut with 2 2x4x1/4" plates per door seam NO MORE
21. No re stubbing of frames or cutting and tilting of frames. YOU MAY "COLD TILT" Repairs..... you will be given 2 4x4x1/4" repair plates per frame rail for repairs. damage must be obvious THIS WILL INCREASE LATER IN THE SEASON FOR REPAIRS
22.MUST HAVE HALO BAR/ roll over bar allowed to be welded to floor or frame bolted to roof top. no more than 6" behind drivers seat. 23 must have 2 bars welded or bolted in the windshield area to keep hood from cutting your head off!
24. body/frame creasing is ok hammers only cost $5 everyone can swing a hammer!
25. NO CLAIM RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26. TIRES .... any tire allowed as long as no bigger than 16" no studded tires. wheel centers fine. 27. wheel well openings may be trimmed and bolted with no more than 8- 3/8th bolts per opening with a max 1.5" fender washer 28. Rusty body bolts can be changed to 3/4c max bolt with 3" max washers. no bolts out the bottom side of the frames 29. WATTS REAR TYPE OF CARS CALL FIRST ! 1-785-741-4870 30. Unlimited number 9 wire as long as there's none in front of the radiator or per rule number 3
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Feb 8, 2017 11:29:51 GMT -5
BONE STOCK 80's and NEWER
General Rules.
no hearsh or limos mini vans are fine
1. Official’s decision is final.
2. No profanity allowed on the cars. No one under the influence of drugs or alcohol will be allowed to participate. Classless behavior will not be tolerated.
3. Driving. You must make aggressive contact with another live car in less than one minute. If you do not make aggressive enough hits, we will let you know. No intentional driver door hits. Depending on the severity of the hit, we may simply warn you, or we may break your stick. If you use your driver’s door to block another car, do not expect that car to be disqualified for the driver’s door hit. Official’s decision final.
4. During competition stay in the car. Keep your helmet on. Keep your hands and arms inside the car.
5. During competition, no driver, pitmen, or spectators shall approach the officials. Classless behavior will not be tolerated. Official’s decision is final.
6. If you are black flagged (for example a door hit), you finish in that spot, not last, and receive that place trophy and winnings, if any.
7. Cars may be disqualified at any time. We will re-inspect the Top five after the derby is over. IF a car is found to be illegal, it will be disqualified and finish last.
8. NO BITCH RULE!
9. Anything can be done to drivers door for safety, a bar behind the seat from door to door allowed. A simple halo/rollover loup off of the seat bar to roof allowed.
CAR PREP & BUILD 1. Overall condition must be safe. This applies to used cars as well as some fresh cars. IF the officials deem the car unsafe to run, it will not run.
2. Fire jacket highly recommended. Long pants are required. Eye protection and gloves highly recommended. Shoes are required.
3. Minimum of D.O.T. rated helmet required. Full-face helmets recommended.
4. Seat belts are required, must be functional, and fastened to the floor or seat bracket. Official’s decision is final.
5. Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean.ALL WINDOWS MUST BE REMOVED
6. car must have some type of working brakes.
ALL COMPONETS OF THE TYPE OF CARS USED IN THIS CLASS MUST BE STOCK OEM METERIAL FOR THE MODEL OF CAR YOUR USING. 1. No welding ANYWHERE! FACTORY MOTORS IN ALL CARS. NO AFTERMARKET FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEMS. OEM CARBS 2. car can have a 3" dia max pipe inside drivers front door for safety at a 45 deg angle from A pillar to C pillar OR SOME FORM OF DOOR BAR APROVED BY OFFICIALS 3. gas tank must be relocated to the back seat area of the car and securely fastened (unless stock tank is located in front of the rear axle. BATTERYS AND COMPUTERS CAN BE RELOCATED TO PASSENGERS COMPARTMENT 4. No body shaping 5. trunk lids may be removed. 6. no tires larger than 16" no tires heavier than 8ply. no doubled. no foam filled, no studded ,no forklift, no skidders, no wheel weights. tubes ARE allowed. 7. 2 spots of 9 wire or 2 spots 1/4" chain allowed in windshield area for safety (keeps from cutting Your head off with the hood) 8 motor headers allowed (like to hear the sounds) 9 all gas/break/shifter linkages must remain stock 10. DOORS HOOD AND TRUNK CAN BE WIRED SHUT IN 2 SPOTS WITH 9 WIRE 2 LOOPS 11 have fun the idea of this class is to keep every thing on the car as it would be driving down the road. don't push the build rules or you wont run! Any 80's and newer bumper as long as it bolts on
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Feb 8, 2017 11:30:13 GMT -5
BONE STOCK COMPACTSGeneral Rules. 108" AND UNDER FWD AND RWD COMPACT TYPE CARS NO FULL FRAME CARS 1. Official’s decision is final. 2. No profanity allowed on the cars. No one under the influence of drugs or alcohol will be allowed to participate. Classless behavior will not be tolerated. 3. Driving. You must make aggressive contact with another live car in less than one minute. If you do not make aggressive enough hits, we will let you know. No intentional driver door hits. Depending on the severity of the hit, we may simply warn you, or we may break your stick. If you use your driver’s door to block another car, do not expect that car to be disqualified for the driver’s door hit. Official’s decision final. 4. During competition stay in the car. Keep your helmet on. Keep your hands and arms inside the car. 5. During competition, no driver, pitmen, or spectators shall approach the officials. Classless behavior will not be tolerated. Official’s decision is final. 6. If you are black flagged (for example a door hit), you finish in that spot, not last, and receive that place trophy and winnings, if any. 7. Cars may be disqualified at any time. We will re-inspect the Top five after the derby is over. IF a car is found to be illegal, it will be disqualified and finish last. 8. NO BITCH RULE! 9. Anything can be done to drivers door for safety, a bar behind the seat from door to door allowed. A simple halo/rollover loup off of the seat bar to roof allowed. CAR PREP & BUILD 1. Overall condition must be safe. This applies to used cars as well as some fresh cars. IF the officials deem the car unsafe to run, it will not run. 2. Fire jacket highly recommended. Long pants are required. Eye protection and gloves highly recommended. Shoes are required. 3. Minimum of D.O.T. rated helmet required. Full-face helmets recommended. 4. Seat belts are required, must be functional, and fastened to the floor or seat bracket. Official’s decision is final. 5. Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. REMOVE ALL WINDOWS 6. car must have some type of working brakes. ALL COMPONETS OF THE TYPE OF CARS USED IN THIS CLASS MUST BE STOCK OEM METERIAL FOR THE MODEL OF CAR YOUR USING. 1. No welding ANYWHERE! 2. car can have a 3" dia max pipe inside drivers front door for safety at a 45 deg angle from A pillar to C pillar 3. gas tank must be relocated to the back seat area of the car and securely fastened (unless stock tank is located in front of the rear axle. 4. No body shaping 5. trunk lids may be removed. 6. no tires larger than 16" no tires heavier than 8ply DOT. no doubled. no foam filled, no studded no skidders, no forklift , no wheel weights. tubes allowed. 7. 2 spots of 9 wire or 2 spots 1/4" chain allowed in windshield area for safety (keeps from cutting Your head off with the hood) 8 motor headers allowed (like to hear the sounds) 9 all gas/break/shifter linkages must remain stock 10 have fun the idea of this class is to keep every thing on the car as it would be driving down the road. don't push the build rules or you wont run! Any stock bumper can be used as long as it bolts on Read more: kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2742/2016-rules-pay-sucker-events#ixzz4Y7443THl
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Feb 8, 2017 11:30:35 GMT -5
WELD COMPACT CARS. 1. Any compact car with the following specs; 108" MAX WHEEL BASE FOR ALL CARS NO FULL FRAME CARSNO TRUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Four Wheel drive cars must remove front drive shaft. 2. . Ages 16-17 must have a NOTARIZED permission slip and a valid driver’s license. 3. The person that signs in as the driver – must be the driver for the event. 4. Driver must wear a seatbelt, helmet, FIRE SUIT JACKET (no more exceptions to the fire jacket rule). 5. All Drivers and Crew Members must attend the drivers meeting. 6. No hot rodding in the pits, keep it at an idle. This will be the quickest way to be DISQUALIFIED. . 8. You are given 1 minute to make an aggressive hit. After 1 minute that particular car will be disqualified. You are only given 1 minute in total, not 1 minute to get started and 1 minute to hit. 11. Cars will be re-inspected before any prize money is paid out. Everyone else will stay back until cars are deemed to be legal. 12. . Driver must have cash in hand directly after the feature in order to protest. If the car is found to be illegal the ENTIRE TEAM WILL BE DISQUALIFIED. 13. Any complaints that a driver has about another car prior to the start of the first heat. If these rules or a phone call to us does not say you can do it, THEN DON’T!!! We can’t stress enough to Call First!!! Judges decisions are FINAL!!! Small Car wheelbase is 108" maximum fwd. 105" rwd. 6-cylinder maximum NO V8 Car Preparation No Fresh Paint or Undercoating on the frames at all. No buffing or grinding frames or bodies except where welding is specifically allowed in these rules. All cars must be stock, unless modification is stated in the rules. All glass, plastic, chrome, and interior must be removed from car before arriving to the derby. All trailer hitches and braces must be removed. Motors, Transmissions and Radiators must remain in stock location. Batteries must be moved to passenger front floorboard. No Factory fuel tanks. Must have metal fuel tank/cell. They must be properly secured and covered. You must have a number in Bright colors on each front door and must have a 15”x15” sign on the roof of your car with car number on it for judging and recognition of the car. You cannot use the roof sign to strengthen the car. All cars must have working brakes when you cross the ramp. If the car is not able to exhibit the ability to stop it will not be inspected. Rust repair can be made with sheet metal only. Leave rusted spot but can repair 2” past rust area to good metal. All repairs done within reason and moderation. NO welding other than what is mentioned in this set of rules. If your car is found with any weld, other than what is allowed, and you refuse to fix it to the judge’s satisfaction, you and your car or team will not run! DOORS: Doors may be welded solid, outside only, 3" x 1/4" strap maximum. You may smash the inner and outer skin together (window openings) and weld them solid, NO added metal. This includes wagon tailgates If you do not weld your doors you must chain or #9 wire them closed in at least 2 spots maximum of Choose one method only. You may NOT bolt your doors shut. Drivers door may have window netting for driver’s safety. NO other windows may have netting. - You may weld a plate Maximum 6" x 1/4" across the front driver’s door for protection, not to exceed 6" beyond the front door seams. NO GRADER BLADES. These plates must be in the center of the door, run horizontally. WINDOWS: You must have a piece of rebar/all thread/chain (3/8 max), #9 wire or 2”X1/4” straps running from the roof to the cowl in the windshield area for driver’s protection, up to 2 pieces max. This may not be designed as reinforcement to the car and must be space at least 12 inches apart on the bottom, unless forming a “V” from A-pillar to A-pillar and no cross connections. Not connected to dash bar. You may use 2 loops, 4 strands of #9 wire total in each window opening. This wire may go to the floor or frame. No washers. Wire must run through body metal only. HOODS: Hoods may be bolted, wired or chained shut ONLY. You may use up to 8 bolts to hold the hood, minimum of 4. may be 1" all thread max. - The 2 front bolts may go thru the frame or welded vertically to the frame. The other 6 must be sheet metal to sheet metal. No longer than 8” long. Hood bolt washers maximum 5x5x¼” thick You may install up to 12 - ⅜” bolts or self-tapping screws on whole hood . NO welding of cut outs is allowed. Hood must remain in stock location but can be bent down in the front. No sliding forward or back. You must have a minimum 12" hole in the hood for fire protection. - Hoods must be open at inspection time. TRUNK LIDS: Trunk lids must remain 60% in the stock location. No sliding forward or back- You may fasten your trunk lid in 2 OF THE FOLLOWING 3 ways: -Weld seam solid with 3" x 1/4" strap max. -Chain 2 places max. no bigger than ⅜” -1" all thread vertically to the rear frame rails and run them thru the trunk lid. You may use a 5" washer on the trunk lid bolts, plates may not be welded and must be free-floating. There must be 12" minimum hole in the trunk area for inspection purposes. Relocation of the speaker deck is not allowed it must remain in the stock location, no relocation of any sheet metal or components. Your trunk lid may be V’ed in the center maximum of 6” deep. No fully wedged cars, most of the rear quarters must remain vertical. CAGES & DOOR BARS: You may use channel or tubing up to 6" for the door bars. Total length is not to exceed 60” This bar may not be more than 10" behind the seat - no exceptions. Dash bar and seat bars may not exceed 8" diameter. Seat bar must be no further than 10" behind the seat. All bars must be straight pieces no contoured pieces. Sedans only, are allowed a gas tank protector,24” wide, centered in the back seat area. There must be a 1” space between the back bar and all sheet metal, may not be attached to anything other than back seat bar. All interior sheet metal must remain in stock position. Do not pound! Angle in off of halo bar for tank protector. Do not run straight back and square it off. Must stay in passenger compartment. - Back bar may form an “X” You may add 2 VERTICAL down bars on driver and pass. side, welded to your cage and to the floor sheet metal only. These bars may not attach to or conceal a body mount. No kickers, angled or otherwise. NO cage components may be welded to the frame other than down bars and halo. All horizontal cage components must be at least 4" off the floor of the car, including gas tank protector, measured at the body bolt elevation. Must have 1” clearance of off tunnel. - All cage components must be in the interior of the car, not inside the door structure with the exception of the driver’s side. This door bar MAY be inside the door structure to allow more room for driver’s safety. HALO OR ROLLOVER BARS: You MUST add a halo bar to the cage components listed above. It may not exceed 6" in diameter. - This bar must attach to the seat bar/cage, no exceptions. Halo bars may NOT be angled toward the rear of the car. They must be vertical. You MUST bolt or weld the halo bar to the roof sheet metal in at least 2 max. 4 places. BODY BOLTS: All body bolts may be replaced with up to 1" bolts, maximum 8" length.
Core support bolts may be 1" diameter. Core support bolts may go thru the hood and count as 2 of your 8 hood bolts. Washers must be free floating inside the car and inside the frame on the bottom side. Do NOT weld the body washers to the floor. Maximum washer size is 6" x 1/4". - Space must be maintained between the body and the frame; Minimum 1". SUSPENSION, SPRINGS: Struts/ Front shocks stock but can be solid mount Coil to leaf conversions are not allowed. You may change coil springs. You may reinforce your tie rods with weld only no added metal, Stock tie rod ends only. Aftermarket steering columns allowed. Rear control arms can be reinforced but must start from stock parts LEAF SPRINGS: 7 leaf maximum, 3/8" maximum thickness, 2 ½" wide maximum. Stagger - 2" long side (rear of axle), 2” short side (front of axle). 6 clamps per spring, minimum of 2 in front of the axle. Clamp material 1/4" thick, 2" wide, 2 – 3/8" bolts per clamp. U-bolts – ½” maximum, stock mounting plates must be used. Shackles and perches may be welded or bolted to the frame. No homemade or oversized u-bolts will be allowed. No welding on the spring pack. No flat sprung cars leaf pack must have a minimum of 2" of arch. BUMPERS, BUMPER BRACKETS: You must start with a stock/replacement bumper but you are allowed to re-enforce inside or the backside between the shock mounts. Bumper re-enforcement may not be done in any way to stop frame bending. Bumper must appear stock from the stands, no spike or protruding items. Bumpers are interchangeable for all cars. You may weld the bumper seams, the shocks and weld any OEM car brackets to the frame OR you may weld 16” of 3/8” X 3” flat plate from the bumper back if you decide not to run bumper brackets. Must have 2-1” holes cut in plate at third way points to prove thickness. And use the shocks for inner mounting. If you choose not to use brackets, you may weld your bumper directly to the frame. (Body Frame NOT Sub Frame) You may not weld the bumper to the body at any time. (fenders, core support, etc.) - Bumpers may be cut to keep them out of the tires. Bumpers may be flipped (upside down). Compression bumper shocks may be drained, slid back into the shock and welded fully. All bumper brackets and shock components must be OEM automotive materials. - You may run no more than 4 loops of #9 wire from the radiator support to the bumper in 2 locations not directly in front of radiator on either side. Front bumper height maximum of 24” from bottom of bumper to ground. FRAMES: No K-frame swaps!! The only frame welding allowed is from the Front of the a-arms forward, no more than a ½" wide bead. Pinch welds may be beat over and welded a-arms forward, no more than a ½” wide bead. The bumper strap to frame welding is covered in the bumper section. NO other frame welding is allowed. No plating, stuffing, heat treating or foam filling of frames is allowed. Do NOT paint or undercoat your frame. You may weld your motor mounts to the engine cradle. If they connect there from factory- You may notch the frame for minimal pre-bending, but do NOT weld the cut. You may run a chain or cable or #9 wire from rear rail to rear rail behind the rear-end. 3/8" chain maximum. You may chain or wire your rear-end to the frame. You may NOT use strapping of any kind for this. Wire or chain only. 3/8" chain maximum. Chain must go around frame on full frame cars, do not bolt through the frame creating a frame pin. Uni-body cars may use 1 bolt per side thru the frame for this. You may not weld the chain links to create a bar effect. SKID PLATES: Skid plates are not allowed what so ever!!! ENGINES: Any 4 or 6 cyl. engine may be used in any car, but it must be mounted within 4" of the original motor. You may chain or cable the motor, 2 chains or cables per side (1 front and 1 rear), 3/8 max. - You may attach chain or cable on all four corners of engine going down to the frame, this chain may be welded directly to the top or side of the frame only, or wrapped once around not to exceed 3/8” thick. The chain/cable on the front of the motor cannot extend on the frame any more than 3” past the front of the head and cannot extend backwards at all. The chain/cable on the rear of the motor cannot extend back on the frame any more than 3” past the back of the head and cannot extend forward at all. These chain/cable cannot be connected from front to back. Reinforcement of motor mounts is allowed but must remain close to stock size. CRADELS AND PULLY PROTECTORS ARE ALLOWED AND TRANSMISTION BRACES, HOWEVER NO PART OF THE PROTECTOR CAN BE ABOVE THE PLAIN OF THE MOTOR HEAD. Or come in contact with the dash bar the plane of the head is the part a machine shop would plain...NOT THE VALVE COVER. . You must have an air cleaner over the carburetor at all times. TRANSMISSIONS: Transmissions coolers may be used, but they must be secured in such a way to prevent injury. Metal or braided lines must be used. No fuel or low-pressure lines may be used. Coolers must be secured in a container in the passenger compartment of the car. RADIATORS: Radiator must be in the stock position in front of the motor. OEM style radiators only, no homemade tube construction radiators. You may not add cooling capacity. No supplemental cooling devices allowed. FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEMS: No plastic gas tanks allowed. Marine tank or metal fuel tank only. 5+ gallon tank recommended. No coffins, be reasonable! Original gas tanks must be removed from the car. You must have the gas tank securely mounted behind the driver’s seat and it must be covered. - If fuel lines run inside the car must be secured to the floor and kept from pinch points and covered Automotive pump gas only, NO ALCOHOL. Electric fuel pumps are allowed. They must be covered and have an on/off switch near the steering wheel and clearly marked in large letters. Or hooked up to ignition switch. All lines must be double clamped. BATTERIES: A maximum of 2 - 12 volt batteries or 1 CAT Battery may be used. They must be secured inside the car in front of the passenger seat and covered. Rusted out holes in your floor sheet metal may be patched where components will be mounted or for driver’s safety, sheet metal only. No other sheet metal patching is allowed unless it is a safety issue. You may not patch clean and solid floors. When patching you may NOT weld, you may bolt, self-tap or pop rivet all patches. No patch may be attached to any vertical sheet metal (firewall); all must be patched or mounted in the horizontal floorboards only. Do not mount anything within 6 inches of any body bolt. TIRES & BRAKES: No tires taller than 30". 4 wheels max per car. No duals. No split rims or studded tires, you may use aftermarket center with various bolt patterns, 8 inch max, 14 inch for mobile home tires. Valve stem protectors allowed, wheel weights must be removed. Doubled or foam filled tires OK - we don’t like flats! All cars must be able to demonstrate the ability to stop at any time. If your brakes do not work, you will not compete. You may not change tires after inspection; ride height will be measured with your competition tires only. Carb. Protector: If running a carb. protector You Must Call First and explain set-up for approval
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Feb 8, 2017 11:31:08 GMT -5
FULL SIZE WELDONLY RUNNING THIS CLASS AT CERTAIN SHOWS STAY TUNED FOR LOCATIONSFULL SIZE WELD CLASS General Rules.
NO 2003 & Newer Ford cars or frames.
1. Official’s decision is final.
2. No profanity allowed on the cars. No one under the influence of drugs or alcohol will be allowed to participate. Classless behavior will not be tolerated.
3. Driving. You must make aggressive contact with another live car in less than one minute. If you do not make aggressive enough hits, we will let you know. No intentional driver door hits. Depending on the severity of the hit, we may simply warn you, or we may break your stick. If you use your driver’s door to block another car, do not expect that car to be disqualified for the driver’s door hit. Official’s decision final.
4. During competition stay in the car. Keep your helmet on. Keep your hands and arms inside the car.
5. During competition, no driver, pitmen, or spectators shall approach the officials. Classless behavior will not be tolerated. Official’s decision is final.
6. If you are black flagged (for example a door hit), you finish in that spot, not last, and receive that place trophy and winnings, if any.
7. Cars may be disqualified at any time. We will re-inspect the Top five after the derby is over. IF a car is found to be illegal, it will be disqualified and finish last.
8. NO BITCH RULE!
CAR PREP & BUILD 1. Overall condition must be safe. This applies to used cars as well as some fresh cars. IF the officials deem the car unsafe to run, it will not run.
2. Fire jacket highly recommended. Long pants are required. Eye protection and gloves highly recommended. Shoes are required.
3. Minimum of D.O.T. rated helmet required. Full-face helmets recommended.
4. Seat belts are required, must be functional, and fastened to the floor or seat bracket. Official’s decision is final.
5. Car must be fully stripped of all flammable material. Factory seats and factory dash are allowed. All glass, chrome, door handles, and any unsafe items must be removed from the inside and outside of the cars. All plastic, stainless and pot metal trim, fiberglass, and rubber must be removed from the outside of the car. Car floor, trunks, and inside of doors must be swept of glass, debris, and must be clean. Factory fuel tank(s) must be removed. Unused factory fuel lines must be blown free of gas. Removing unused fuel lines recommended. Factory fuel tank may not be re-used.
7. Cage & Hallo bar For driver’s protection, you may weld a bar behind the seat from doorpost to doorpost, it can be an X do not connect directly to frame, and you may also have a bar across your dash area to replace your dash (must be at least 6” away from all sheet metal, firewall, dash, and floor tin). You may run a bar down each front door connecting the dash bar and seat bar inside of the front doors only. You can also weld a plate across the driver’s door not to exceed 6 inches past each seam.
You may have a roll loop behind the seat, (Halo Bar) which must be welded to the floor or frame and may be welded or bolted to the roof. These roll over bars, behind the seat only, must be vertical (not angled up and back)– no kickers going back or front of the car. You may also weld a steering column to the cage. Back of cage including roll bar can only be 10” behind the back of the driver seat. You may also run 2 down bars on drivers side & passenger side from the door bar down to the floor. Do not extend any further forward than the front door seam, between the dash bar and seat bar, may be welded to frame .
**Please reinforce your driver’s door very good, in this type of competition all drivers doors will take some type of hit during the event. We want you to be safe and protected behind your reinforcement.** 8.Driver’s door must be welded shut for safety. Welding the outer driver’s door seams completely is highly recommended. Welding the inner driver’s door seams allowed. Outer driver’s door skin reinforcement is allowed and highly recommended. Outer drivers door bar may not extend in front of the front door seem more than 6”, and may not extend past the rear door seem more than 6”. Reinforcement on the inside of the driver’s door with pipe, bars and other material is allowed. No Grader Blades on out side of door!! Use flat iron if you rein force the outside of drivers door.
10. A minimum of two steel straps or bars must be located in windshield area. These may be bolted or welded and must only attach to sheet metal. No more than 6 inches of weld on each end on roof and windshield area. Can not be connected together at the firewall in any manner!
11. Battery must be re-located inside of passenger compartment. The battery must be in a solid container and must be securely fastened and covered.
12. No steel gas “cans” or plastic gas “jugs” allowed. A steel boat tank is recommended, however any metal tank deemed safe by the officials is acceptable. Any plastic or urethane “fuel cell” must be in a solid metal container and must be covered with metal. The fuel tank must be securely fastened inside the passenger compartment. Fuel cell cannot exceed 12”x12”x12” or 7 gallons. Fuel line must be secured and fastened properly. Keep away from exhaust. Place fuel cell behind driver’s seat or in the center of the car where the back seat use to be. No other source of gas inside the car at all.Official’s decision is final.
14. Cars must have some type of working brakes.
15. Oil coolers, engine and transmission, are allowed. IF air coolers (fans) are used, a shield must be located between the cooler and the driver. High-pressure hydraulic lines and fittings are recommended. No gas hose is allowed. It must be compatible with transmission oil. If oil hose is used, minimum of two hose clamps per fitting. Non high-pressure oil hose must be covered. Engine cooler hose and fittings must be high pressure.
16. Electric fuel pumps are allowed, must have high pressure fuel line, All fuel hose must be covered. And be safe!
17. No wheel weights or balance weights allowed on wheel rims.
18. Radiator coolant over flow tubes must point straight down.
Car Building Rules. Old Iorn .. 1960 thru 2002 cars allowed. Same as 80's build rules. No frame swaps, trucks, vans, compacts, Imps etc
. No compact cars, hearses, ambulances, limos, vans, minivans, or any vehicle considered a “truck” or “SUV” allowed. No 2003 & or newer ford cars or frames.
If it is not allowed in the following rules, then do not do it!
Frame and Body Rules:
1. Official's decision is final.
2. . No added metal to car body or frame other than what is allowed!!
3. Frames must remain stock. No re-welding factory frame seams other than what is allowed. No filling holes in frame, big or small! No frame plating inside or out. No re-painting frames with paint or under coating. No “grease and dirt tricks”. No means NO! If you have any paint, undercoating, or other dirt grease tricks, foam or mouse nest etc. inside your frame you won’t pass inspection! No welding on frame anywhere, other than what is allowed in these rules. Scopes will be used for inspection!!
4. Re-welding of factory frame seams (both top side and bottom side) from the back of the crush box forward or firewall forward on old iron is allowed . 1/2” wide weld bead maximum. Vertical pinch welds on Mopar cars may be folded and welded. . You may cut factory frames seams to tilt or pitch & re-weld as long as it is in the weld rule.
Uni-Body Cars. May have a total of 12 inches of weld to repair factory spot welds from back doors rearward.
For rust repair ONLY. You can use a 4in piece of plate MAX and MUST be same thickness as frame this dont mean 1/4in or 3/8 SAME THICKNESS AS FRAME. You must cut out the old piece of rust and fit the new in WITHOUT overlapping at all and must have 2 3/8 holes drilled in it. This is the only way you can repair rust you will be allowed 2 places MAX and no more. ALL CARS FRESH AND PRERAN GET 28"of4x1/4"max plate per frame rail, If you are required to remove plates you must remove weld and plate not just the centers 5. Cutting and or pre-notching the frame are allowed, but must not re-weld rear frame rails if cut or notched. No adding of body mounts to the frame allowed. Do not move any body mount hole to shorten a frame rail. If you move a body mount hole and your car cannot be made right it will not run. Frame shaping is allowed to the rear hump area only, 22" max area can be manipulated .
6. Engines and transmissions may be interchanged and mounts may be fabricated and welded as long as it does not strategically reinforce the frame, “A” frames, or shock towers. No engine mounts, braces, cables, or chains may extend more than 4” in front of, or 4” behind the engine block. Maximum length of angle or plate is 4”. Maximum size allowed is 2” x 2” x ¼”. Angle or plate must extend upward from top of frame only. Engine mounts may only be attached to the top of the frame rail, no welding to vertical frame surfaces. No engine or transmission mounting to dash bar! “K” frames in cars may be welded to the main frame rails. 1/2” filler rod maximum. No plates as filler allowed. This filler rod and weld must not extend 4'' in front of or 4” behind engine block. No K-frames in non-K-frame cars.
7.Distributor protectors allowed, must be attached to engine or transmission only, backside must be no wider than 12 inches. If you run a DP...do not mount your dash bar closer than 6 inches from any sheet metal, firewall, dash, or floor tin. DP. may not be welded, bolted or connected to body, hood or frame. Forward supports must be inside normally positioned headers and not extend past the water pump. If you do NOT use a carb/ distributor protector or mid plate of any kind ,you may weld 1 1" max diameter round or square stock STRAIGHT from your dash bar to the top side of the frame not to extend any farther forward than 4" behind the rear of the upper a-arm. You can have 1 3x3x1/4" plate on the ends of this bar, no bends to the bar, no more than 4" of weld on the ends 1 bar per side drivers/passengers .
AFTERMARKET ENGINE CRADLES ARE ALLOWED. PULLEY PROTECTORS ARE ALLOWED. THE DISTRIBUTOR PROTECTOR IS AND MUST REMAIN A SEPARATE ITEM, NOT CONNECTED TO ANY OTHER COMPONENT IN ANY MANNER.
7. Body mount bolts may be replaced with up to 1” diameter bolts. . Spacers may be welded to the body, but not to the frame. Longer body mount bolts that enter the interior of the car are allowed. Maximum 4” washers on the topside of the trunk pans and floor pans are allowed. Sub-frame cars may have washers up to 2” larger than factory body mount hole (for example: if the hole is 4”, the use of an 8” washer is allowed). These washers may not be fully welded to the trunk pans or floor pans. Bolts must be cut flush with top of nuts. Body mount washers under or in frame MUST BE IN STOCK LOCATION, however these body mount washers may be up to 2” larger than the frame hole diameter.
7.Radiator support mount bushings may be removed completely. The radiator support may contact the frame but must not be welded to it. The two radiator mount bolts may be up to 1”diameter. These two bolts may be welded to the frame. These two bolts may extend straight down through to the bottom side of the frame. No angling back to “A” frames to form a “kicker”. These two bolts may extend up next to the radiator support, through to the top of the hood, and be used as two hood hold down bolts. These two bolts may be welded to the radiator support. These two bolts may be welded to the frame if they do not go down through the frame. Thicker (taller) than stock spacers allowed between the radiator support and the frame. No bolts allowed in front of radiator. Spacers may be welded to frame.
9. All trailer hitches, tow bars, and other material used for towing, must be removed completely.
10. Bodies must remain stock. No re-welding factory seams inside engine compartment. No re-welding factory body seams inside passenger compartment, trunk compartment, or seams under body. No re-welding seams under hood or seams under trunk lid. No added bolts or screws to body seams. No adding metal to body other than driver door. 2, ½” minimum, holes per rocker panel required for inspection. We drill the holes.
11. Hoods must open for inspection. Hoods must remain in the stock location and position. Bending down, or bending up, excess hood in front of radiator support allowed. Hoods must have a minimum of two 12” holes for fire control. Holes cut in hood for fire control, or exhaust may be bolted (not welded) back together with up to eight 3/8” bolts (1” washers maximum) per hole. Hoods must be either chained or bolted shut. Hoods may have no more than ten 3/8” bolts (1” washer max) fastening inner/outer hood sheet metal together on hood itself.
If bolted shut: A minimum of four bolts 5/8” diameter must be used. A maximum of eight bolts, not to exceed 1” diameter is allowed. The factory hood hinges do not count as a hood hold down. Only the front two bolts may go down through the hood to the frame. The other six bolts, if used, must be sheet metal to sheet metal only. No bolts to be placed in front of radiator as protection. Washers for the topside of the hood may not exceed 5” square and 1/4” thick. The hood “washers” may be welded to the top of the hood. 5” square “washers” may also be welded to the inner fenders at the corners (fender to radiator support and fender to the fire wall or cowl) below the hood. Bolts may then be welded to these “washers” to hold the hood. 1”1/2 Angle Iron , no more than 6” long welded to hood & fender/bolted together may be counted same as other hood bolts.
If chained shut: A minimum of four spots of 1/4” chain must be used. A maximum of up to eight spots of 3/8” chain may be used. The use of 5” square “washers” is allowed as above.
12. Radiators must be in the stock location and may use factory type mounts. Ratchet straps, wire, and chain may be used to hold in radiator. Aluminum radiators may be used. Electric fans may be used. Air conditioner condensers may be welded directly to the radiator support, may use filler rod or plates to do so, not to exceed 6’’ long by 2” wide on each side only, ( not all the way across). No guards in front or behind radiator.
13. Fenders may be cut for a larger wheel well opening. Fenders may be bolted back together (with no welding) with up to six 3/8” bolts (1” diameter washers maximum) per wheel well opening. Excess front fender in front of radiator support may be cut, folded over, and bolted (not welded) back together. Four 3/8” bolts (1” washers) allowed per fender.
14. Doors must be chained, wired, bolted, or welded (exterior seams only) shut. Weld full seams allowed on door seams. Chain must be a minimum of 1/4”, wire must be a minimum of two loops, bolts must be a minimum of 3/8”, and weld must be 4” on a minimum of two spots per door. No chain, wire, or bolts allowed to go to or around frame. 4” wide by 3/16” strap maximum allowed to weld over door seams. Other exterior body seams may be welded. 3” wide by 1/8” strap maximum allowed.
15. Trunk lids and station wagon tail gates may be chained, wired, bolted, or welded shut the same as the doors. Any two methods allowed to fasten the trunk lid or tailgate. No method may go to or around the frame or rear bumper. Trunk lid may be “tucked” down inside the trunk compartment. Trunk lid may not be welded to the trunk floor pan. Two bolts (maximum 1” diameter) are allowed in the trunk from the bottom of the trunk pan up through the top of the trunk lid. These two bolts are allowed to go down through the frame, but may not be welded to the frame. The use of 5” “washers” is allowed the same as the hood. These two bolts must be cut flush with the top of the nuts. Pre-forming or pre-bending the body sheet metal is allowed. It may be cut to shape it, but not allowed to re-weld or bolt back together (except for the front edge of the front fenders, wheel well radius, and hood holes). . Station wagon tail gates may be lowered, then chained, wired, bolted, or welded shut. No more than, Ten, 3/8 bolts ( 1” washer max) may be used to bolt inner/outer trunk lid sheet metal together.
If back bumper has been removed, Station Wagon gates maybe lowered & bolted or welded to back bumper brackets or shocks.
16. Tops of doors, and areas that had moving windows, may be pinched together and welded. Weld bead only, no plates or other material allowed. Inspectors must be able to see down into the body. Interior rules:
1. No re-welding of interior body seams. No added bolts or screws. The re-welding of the doorpost or pillar, to the floor sheet metal, allowed on both the driver side and passenger side.
2. The use of fabricated parts such as steering columns, fuel pedals, brake pedals, transmission shifters, seat brackets, battery boxes, fuel tanks, and coolers allowed. Transmission and engine oil coolers are allowed. Two batteries are allowed.
3. Seat, battery, fuel tank, and cooler brackets must be welded to, or bolted to, the floor sheet metal. No chain, wire, or rubber type straps allowed to fasten these items. The seat, battery, fuel tank, and coolers must be secure. No bracket may be attached to, or come in contact with, the seat bar, dash bar, or door bars. Steering column brackets and seat brackets may come in contact with, and be attached to, these bars. No bracket may extend in front of the dash bar (other than steering column bracket). No bracket may extend past the rear of the seat bar. Brackets in the front seat area must be welded to, or bolted to, floor sheet metal only. Brackets in the front seat area may be attached to the factory body mount washers. Brackets in the back seat area must be welded to, or bolted to, the floor sheet metal only. Bolts in the back seat area may not go through, or around, the frame or sub-frame. Brackets in the back seat area must not be attached to, or come in contact with, the seat bar or door bars. Brackets for the front seat area, and brackets for the back seat area, must be completely separate..You are allowed a gas tank protector, no wider than 24 inches, must be at least 1” away from rear tray package/ backseat sheet metal.MUST BE STRAIGHT ACROSS (NOT FORMED TO THE BODY) May NOT run straight back to frame humps, must angle in from back seat pipe. IT MAY RUN STRAIGHT BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE CENTER OF THE CAR, and must be 4” off the floor. May not be connected to gas tank and must be free floating.
4. Roll bars or “halo” bars, above the rear seat bar, must extend vertically, not angle back.
5. One post or pillar is allowed in the rear window area. 2” x 2” square, or 2” round maximum size allowed. This post or pillar must mount to the back edge of the roof and extend down to the front edge of the trunk lid. One 5” x 5” x ¼” maximum size plate allowed at the top and one plate allowed at the bottom. This post or pillar with plates, must be mounted to sheet metal only
6. Remove rear “decking” in station wagons . .
Suspension Rules:
WATTS-LINK CONVERSIONS:
YOU MAY CONVERT A WATTS LINK FORD TO A STANDARD GM REAREND IN THE FOLLOWING WAY.. USE THE TRAILING ARM BRACKETS OFF AN OLDER FORD OR METAL OF THE SAME SIZE AND THICKNESS. NO POSITIONING OF THE BRACKETS TO STRENGTHEN THE FRONT DOWNLEG OF THE REAR HUMP. YOU MAY CUT OUT THE COIL SPRING FRAME TRAY FROM AN EARLIER YEAR FORD AND WELD IT IN THE NEWER FORD, IF YOU CHOOSE TO MANUFACTURE A SYSTEM FOR THE UPPER BRACKETS PLEASE CALL AHEAD. ONE PASS ONLY, ¼” MAXIMUM. NO STRONGER THAN STOCK.
1. No leaf springs under non-leaf cars allowed. No solid suspension. Suspension must be working and have a minimum of 2” travel. No reinforcing of steering or suspension components other than what is allowed in these rules.
2. The interchange of , rotors and upper “A” frames allowed. The parts may be reinforced or altered and must be considered OEM stock style. Only a minimum of fabrication is allowed to do this. The “A” frame mounts, if needed, may not strengthen the frame, or be stronger than what is considered stock, a-arms may be welded down with 2 2x4x1/4" straps per side, or bolted with 1 3/4" bolt. spindles may be replaced but must be a stock style OEM cast material
3. Rear axle assemblies may be interchanged, .. Rear axle housing braces are allowed. Mounts may be fabricated. Mounts may be a maximum length of 12”. Rear end bracing must be 6” away from frame (fresh cars)
4. No more than 9 leaf springs per side, no more than 3/8” thick leaves. The leaves must stagger down to bottom spring with a minimum of 1” stagger. The leaf directly under the main may not extend longer, or past, the main leaf eyebolt. No double wrapping of the main leaf. No leaf may be as long as the main leaf. No leaf springs on top of, or above, the main leaf allowed. 4 leaf spring clamps allowed per leaf spring pack, 8 total per car. Maximum size of clamps is 2” wide by 5” long by 1/2” thick.
5. Factory rear control arms on coil sprung cars may be lengthened or shortened. Only a minimum of reinforcing is allowed. “Boxing” of rear control arms, allowed. Double coil springs are allowed IN THE REAR OF THE CAR ONLY, (one coil spring turned inside a second coil spring). Coil springs may be wired, welded, or cabled in on top or bottom. Only one place is allowed to hold coil spring in. Air shock lines must be cut.
6. Front and rear factory leaf spring brackets, on Mopar cars, may be welded to the floor brackets, and or sub-frame brackets.
7. Allowed two chains or cable or wire around axle housing to frame or body. May not be welded or bolted to frame or body, just looped around it.
8. Shocks are allowed and must have 2” minimum travel. One strand (not loop) of chain (no wire or cable) 3/8” size maximum allowed to replace the shock. This strand of chain must be mounted at the same factory location, both top and bottom, as the factory shock. You may use either one shock, or one strand of chain, not both. The chain links must not be welded. The chain must flex.
9. Wire (four loops maximum) or cable (one loop of 3/8”) from driver side frame rail, across to the passenger side frame rail, is allowed. If used, it must be located above and behind the rear axle housing. No welding.
10. Altered, replaced, and or fabricated steering columns allowed.
Tire rules:. We do not want flats.
1No bigger than 15” rims, no spit rims, no studded tires on driven wheels. rim reinforcements ok. No spikes, paddles, or other material to be welded inside or to the rim. no liquid filled tires allowed. Rim screws allowed. Implement tread, forklift type, foam filled, urethane, solid, and double tires are allowed. Valve stem protection is allowed. Any ply allowed.
Bumper Rules:
1. Any car bumper allowed on any car. Bumpers may be cut. Bumpers may be chained, bolted, or welded on. Bumpers may be welded to the brackets, and brackets may be welded to the frame. Bumpers may be welded to the frame. Brackets may be cut. Use only factory brackets, no extra steel or other material allowed as a bumper bracket. . Bumpers may have seams welded. You may reinforce bumpers on the inside of the bumper. The bumper must start stock and may have metal put inside for reinforcement. Bumper chrome may be smashed down and welded to inner bumper support. Bumpers may be mounted upside down. Rear car bumpers allowed on the front. Front car bumpers allowed on the rear. All brackets must make contact with the bumper. YOU MAY USE 1 4" WIDE X 3/8TH STRAP FROM FRONT BUMPER TO THE TOP FAREST POINT FORWARD ON UPPER A-ARMS INSTEAD OF BUMPER SHOCKS AND BUMPER BRACKETS IF YOU CHOOSE BUT ONLY1 OR THE OTHER
3. Rear Bumpers, 4 chains or 4, 2” wide straps from rear bumper to car body allowed. No more than 5” of weld on straps on body and 5” of weld on bumpers. Bumpers must be smooth at the edges.
4.Front Bumpers allowed two straps not to exceed 2” wide x ¼ thick allowed from radiator support / hood hold down bolts down to front bumper with no more than 5” of strap welded to bumper & no more than 3” of weld to core support. OR #9 wire in two locations (two loops or 4 strands each) may be used from front hood hold-down/bolts to front bumper. Nothing directly in front of the radiator!
5. Home made front bumpers........ must be no larger than 8x8, the point must taper over an area of at least 32" overall the bumper cannot exceed 12" wide at the tip to the point . the point can only extend out 4" from the flat part of the bumper. Back bumper can be a straight piece of square tubing 5"x5" x3/8ths" max, no longer that 68", no points, square ends with NO caps. No part of the bumper can extend back past the front point of the frame rail ends.
Number 9” wire, You are allowed 2 spots no more than four wires thick from roof to frame. You may also have two per window opening sheet metal to sheet metal no more than four wires thick.
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Post by steelman on Jul 22, 2017 9:44:28 GMT -5
So by looking at both compact sets of rules there will be NO trucks running with compact cars. Correct?
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Jul 23, 2017 22:09:02 GMT -5
So by looking at both compact sets of rules there will be NO trucks running with compact cars. Correct? Correct
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Jul 27, 2017 22:19:11 GMT -5
To clear up a few questions. .....NO hydraulic steering wheels in HOBO class. That is a mod item, no car came from the factory with a valve for a steering wheel. Car must have a COLUMN that connects to the steering box.
ALSO,,,core support spacers CANNOT BE welded. Rule states no welding...the 4" welding behind the bumper rule is for shocks, shock towers, bumper brackets, and seams....NOT THE SPACER OR ALL THREAD.
THANKS!
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Jul 30, 2017 17:53:13 GMT -5
Well it appears that a few want to push the rules. Because of them we will no longer "work with you" rule 21 states cold tilt only. When inspecting cars from now on if your boxes have any welding on them other than factory you'll be loaded no questions asked. Frame seam welding a/arms forward is single pass 1/2" wide max weld. A few have ruined it for everyone. It's not fair for those who follow the rules to a T..
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Post by steelman on Aug 3, 2017 8:09:00 GMT -5
So I might have some car left after Abilene how much cutting u gonna make me do if its built to gas rules. Thanks
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Post by steelman on Aug 3, 2017 8:10:46 GMT -5
Compact that is and which night is compacts
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Mar 21, 2018 18:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by steelman on Jul 27, 2018 11:58:29 GMT -5
Jessi what r u using for rules on the limited weld class for salina
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Post by Derby dad on Aug 10, 2018 11:55:21 GMT -5
Jesse, with the no aftermarket axle rule. What axle is allowed? For example if I break one, what and or where can I buy as replacement axle and not be considered aftermarket?
thank you.
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Post by PAY UP $ SUCKER! on Oct 7, 2018 17:38:11 GMT -5
HANOVER KS!!!!!!!!!! Inspection is 12:30-3:00 start at 4:30! Limited weld $1500, 1000, 550, 200,50 Bone stock 80s and newer $750,400,150,50 Bone stock compacts $750,400,150,50 Heavy repair Modified $1000, 600,300,100 Clean up rules for limited weld class only,,,,7 4x4x1/4 plates per rail and 14inches seam welding behind the a/arms for tilting or split seams or restubing in limited weld class only! Bone stock classes are both unlimited 9 wire nothing in front of the radiator for repairs. Bone stock can weld 4" per side to reattach front bumper only. DONT PUSH IT OR YOU'LL CUT IT COMPLETELY! And you can replace 2 body bolts on the entire car (1/2" max, 6" long max, 2" washer max) AGAIN DON'T PUSH IT! Weld compacts are 6 4x4x1/4 plates per rail. THIS IS FOR THE REST OF THE YRS SHOWS 2018 ONLY. LAKESIDE SPEEDWAY, FALL OTTAWA, HANOVER KS. rules will be changed a bit for next yr so dont save your cars expecting the same thing next yr. HANOVER KS MODIFIED CLASS ONLY, 24" OF 1/4X4 PLATE PER CORNER AND 3/8TH A/ARMS FWD DOESN'T COUNT AS PLATE HUMP PLATE WILL BE IN THE PLATE RULE, AND ANY SPINDLE IS ALLOWED. ALL OTHER RULES APPLY!!!! kansasdemoderby.proboards.com/thread/2802/pay-sucker-2018-rules
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