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Post by hellsbells on Jul 18, 2011 15:23:38 GMT -5
couple of questions. 1. leaf spring clamps? how many? 2. electric fans on the radiators? and if a car runs in troy swongers derby's. what all would you ask to be fixed BEFORE it comes to your show? thanks Shane 1)No more than 2 per leaf, 7 leaf max. 2) electric fan, radiator, or cooling tank your choice. Built to... THE RULES...of Swonger show .....Your GOOD! From reading your rules and Troys rules. A Troys show car WILL NOT PASS your inspection cause of welding on the bottom frame seam. Correct
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 17:17:08 GMT -5
Im confused, my 3 buddies and I have 4 cars that are built to swonger rules. (bottom frame seams being one of them) that im questioning. I dont feel like its fair to say "YES" to swonger rules and in the same breath say no to seam welding, when ITS IN HIS RULES. I just wanna make sure if we pull 2 hours we can run. On the other side of the coin i dont feel like its fair for the people that built a car to your rules (no bottom seams) and have to run against our cars. just my opinion, sounds like to me that you should of just said that your show is going to run swonger rules, would of made more sence from the get go. Its also a swonger area, so if you wanted good car count that would of been easier. oh well. Im in the middle of letting the undercoating and bondo dry on my bottom seams so i can run regardless. hope to see you there. Ill be in the preran 66 suicide.
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Post by hellsbells on Jul 19, 2011 22:04:24 GMT -5
This would make total sense. If the bottom seam of the frame is welded. The car must be a pre-ran.
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 19, 2011 22:43:11 GMT -5
DONT FORGET ABOUT TRY ALLOWING UNDERHOOD FENDER TO CORE SUPPORT AND INNER FENDER WELDING, WHILE OUTLAW DOESNT.... OUTLAW PROMOTIONS NEEDS TO GET ON HERE AND CLARIFY. THERE WERE GUYS AT STAFFORD THAT WANT TO RUN AT WINFIELD, BUT WERE CONFUSEDBY THE DISCREPENCIES IN RULES AND DIDNT WANT TO HAUL OVER 3 HOURS TO BE TURNED AWAY AT INSPECTION WHEN OUTLAW SAID IT WOULD BE OKAY...........WELL, WHICH IS IT?
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Post by catscratch on Jul 20, 2011 7:35:23 GMT -5
Rule #6 says you can the weld fender to the core support. I don't like the pre-ran getting to weld bottom seam idea, but thats just because I'm not building a pre-ran...
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Post by thextreme on Jul 20, 2011 10:49:57 GMT -5
When I talked to him last night it didn't seam like he knew what swongers rules allowed and what the didn't. Joe needs to read swongers rules before he make that disision. They are totaly differant rules leave the rules alone most people expcally me got cars done to the outlaw rules.
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 20, 2011 18:04:29 GMT -5
1)No more than 2 per leaf, 7 leaf max. 2) electric fan, radiator, or cooling tank your choice. Built to... THE RULES...of Swonger show .....Your GOOD!
KIND OF CURIOUS HOW YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 7 LEAFS MAXIMUM, WHEN GM WAGONS CAME WITH BOTH 7 AND 9 PACKS FROM THE FACTORY? JOE, IF MY CAR RAN AT TROYS SHOW,PASSED TECH THERE, THEN YOU ARE TELLING ME ( AND ALL INVOLVED THAT WANT TO KNOW) THAT IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO RUN AT WINFIELD? WE ALL NEED TO KNOW, SO WE CAN EITHER SHOW UP, OR I CAN SWAP MY DRIVETRAIN INTO ANOTHER SHELL........TIME IS WASTING.....
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 21, 2011 8:48:57 GMT -5
I TALKED TO JOE A FEW MINUTES AGO AND HE WILL BE POSTING AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING CARS BUILT TO SWONGERS RULES BEING ALLOWED AT THIS SHOW. IT DOESNT LOOK GOOD..........
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Post by theoutlaw on Jul 21, 2011 13:00:29 GMT -5
:-/Ok...Sorry about the confusion. I was understanding that Troy's rules were the same...NO UNDER the frame welding! The cars that have asked must have been under built. This is MY fault, so like it or not MY rules apply! If you are not to My rules ...YOU CAN'T RUN!!!! SORRY if I mislead ANYONE!!!
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 21, 2011 14:31:56 GMT -5
JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH JOE, HE IS VERY APOLOGETIC ABOUT THE MISUNDERTSANDING REGARDING BEING ABLE TO RUN A CAR FROM TROY SWONGERS RULES. ANY ENTRIES FOR WINFIELD WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT TO OUTLAW PROMOTIONS RULES, NOT SWONGERS. THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THAT TROY ALLOWS BOTTOM FRAME SEAM WELDING AND UNDERHOOD SEAM WELDING WHERE OUTLAW DOES NOT. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HIM TAKING A VOTE FOR NEXT YEARS RULES DURING THE DRIVERS MEETINS, AS IT IT IS THE DRIVERS THAT MAKE THE SHOW HAPPEN. BASICALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FRAME OR SUBFRAME WELDING DONE OTHER THAN THE TOP SEAMS, YOU WONT GET IN..HERE IS THE PAYOUT HE SENT ......TOP 5 IN FEATURES EACH GET A TROPHY, 1ST PLACE IS OVER 6 FEET TALL! TRUCK CLASS PAYS : 750-400-250-150-90-THEN 50 ON DOWN.....LIMITED WELD CLASS PAYS: 1250-850-475-325-225-120-THEN 50 ON DOWN...... LOOKS LIKE A NICE SPREAD DOWN ON THE MONEY.......SEE YA THERE!!.....
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Post by thextreme on Jul 21, 2011 19:31:14 GMT -5
glad you dicided that joe because we dont want to more work than we need to.
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Post by adp17x on Jul 21, 2011 19:52:46 GMT -5
Sounds like to me we need a set of Kansas unified rules, and a set of rules set years in advance.
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 21, 2011 21:11:55 GMT -5
WHEN I TALKED TO JOE, HE WAS AGREEABLE TO THROWING IT OUT FOR THE DRIVERS TO VOTE ON DURING THE WINFIELD DRIVERS MEETING. IT WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE CAR COUNT IF HE COULD ALLOW SWONGER BUILT CARS AT WINFIELD, AND THAT WOULD MAKE A BETTER SHOW. HE DID SAY THAT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN AT WINFIELD, ALL HIS OTHER LIMITED WELD SHOWS WOULD BE HIS RULES.. MOST GUYS ONLY TRAVEL 2 TO 2 AND A HALF HOURS, SO THERE ISNT A HUGE AMOUNT OF OVERLAP AS FAR AS CARS THAT WOULDNT SHOW JUST DUE TO RULES BEING DIFFERENT... MAYBE THINGS WILL GET BETTER IN 2012???
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Post by fordgal on Jul 24, 2011 18:30:25 GMT -5
I know of at least 4 cars from wellington/conway area and 7 from winfield that will be in this and a fresh suicide coming from harper. Get ready boys! Oh and did I here Winters might show up as well. LOOK OUT if u dont want his green paint all over your underbuilt car lol. Hopefully some of the guys like erlacher and neis dont show up and team drive with cheated cars!
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Post by crusher71 on Jul 25, 2011 1:23:26 GMT -5
I know of at least 4 cars from wellington/conway area and 7 from winfield that will be in this and a fresh suicide coming from harper. Get ready boys! Oh and did I here Winters might show up as well. LOOK OUT if u dont want his green paint all over your underbuilt car lol. Hopefully some of the guys like erlacher and neis dont show up and team drive with cheated cars! THIS IS A DEMOLITION DERBY..NOT THE SANDBAGGERS BALL........ MAYBE THEY ARENT AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE? REFRESH US ABOUT WHY ERLACHERS CAR WAS TURNED AWAY IN THE INSPECTION LINE? OH YEAH, THE "LITTLE EXTRAS"....... MAYBE NICK CAN GRACE US WITH HIS RESPONSE?? ILL BET NOT......
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